Graphic card that works?

Michal Varga varga.michal at
Wed Jun 29 00:53:28 UTC 2011

On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 19:21 -0500, Zhihao Yuan wrote:
> So you agree with that Nvidia drivers are not stable.

No, I don't agree. Software has bugs. What a shocker. More news at

> I agree with it
> because my roommate has 2 boxes running Nvidia cards and their
> official binary drivers. He suffered from the unstable video and the
> incomplete Xcomposite supports a lot.

There is no "unstable video" with Nvidia drivers. There is completely
horribly totally locking video (along with the rest of the computer),

1. you run VDPAU acceleration -->
2. you run it through metacity compositor (as far as I know, KDE
compositor doesn't produce this effect, but I'm not a KDE user and I
have no idea what they use, and how much and when does it apply). Some
other compositors might trigger the same bug, I don't know. Metacity
definitely does.

This is a known issue. Software has bugs. If you hate it that much at
this somewhat late hour, you're always free to write a better one, I

Or, as a workaround, you can turn off the (almost close to pointless)
compositor until that specific issue gets solved. I did the latter and
never lost my sleep because of it.

> > There is only one graphics card manufacturer that actually PRODUCES
> > drivers for FreeBSD. That is Nvidia.
> Yes, and no. Nvidia provides closed source drivers only, and never
> helps open source drivers.

Doesn't matter. Nvidia doesn't produce OPEN HARDWARE and I don't care
for OPEN SOFTWARE from them for as long as they provide perfectly
working drivers for my OS. This is situation I'm ok with for as long as
all my Nvidia hardware works.

Guess what. All my Nvidia hardware works, so far. And that "so far"
stands for like "the last decade".

>  As what you have agreed with: when their
> drivers are not stable, or even their drivers introduce security
> problems, you can do nothing. You have no choice but be at their
> mercy.

Sorry, this has nothing to do with working or non working Nvidia
drivers. I'm not into politics. And I'm at nobody's mercy, as I'm
already perfectly capable of voting with my money. I buy Nvidia products
because of their superb driver support under FreeBSD and because they
work. When they stop, I might move to S3 ViRGE. I have my choices and I
opted for the best currently available, I see no problem with that.

> But AMD/ATI supports the development of the open source drivers.


>  Now
> xf86-video-ati driver supports full 2D acceleration, xrander,
> anti-tears, KMS, basic 3D acceleration...

Oh god please. Tell me you're trolling or that you've never actually ran
anything under xf86-video-ati. You can't be serious.

> what Nvidia has? Unstable vdpau?

VDPAU is perfectly stable, thank you. Tens of thousands of people
(hundreds? stats anyone?) are using it daily. I'm using it daily, and
pretty heavily to that.

> And also, when we meet problems, we can check ATI documents and
> modify the source code.

(This is... Ok, I'm not saying anything again as I simply can't believe
you're serious...)

> Just compare the quality of xf86-video-ati and
> xf86-video-nouveau, and you will know which cards are better choice.

I don't care for nouveau. Except for like three people in this world
(and all three of them on Linux where nouveau actually works), nobody
does. The talk was about Nvidia drivers and there is one kind of Nvidia
drivers - the ones produced by Nvidia.

> No. They are not supporting FreeBSD. They are weakening and destroying
> the philosophy of FreeBSD and Open Source communities with their
> unstable, buggy, and insecure favors.

Hallelujah. Have a nice day.


Michal Varga,
Stonehenge (Gmail account)

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