Goodbye

[Mehmet Erol Sanliturk]

On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 7:54 PM Paul Procacci <pprocacci at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's okay to fail and blame your failure on your lack of abilities.  No one
> here will hold that against you.
>
> FreeBSD is superior to most others in many many ways.
> Surely it has some warts, but they are far and few between.
>
> I've been saying this for 3 decades now and I continue to say it.  FreeBSD
> is an administrators' OS at heart.
> Whether true or not at this point in time is mostly irrelevant to me only
> that I still say it.
>
> YOU failed to conquer it; that's no one else's fault but your own.
>
> ~Paul
>
>
>

I am reading these messages to learn very good ideas and I am pleased to
read them .

My opinions are "good" plus some "bad" ones .

My computing adventure started in 1965 when I was an elementary teacher in
a village in Turkey at the age of 18 .
In those days their name was "electronic brain" in the field of mathematics
"priests" meaning people having very high IQs .
I have decided to attend  a university but with English language teaching .
In Turkey they were Middle East Technical University
belonging to the State and Robert College ( a private and ex[ensive one ) .
In 1970 at the METU I learned Fortran with my efforts
and then I have continued .

I have started with FreeBSD 2.x . Since it was unusable , I have waited up
to 7.x . I have started to use it upto 9.0  ( still a few hard disk
are containing them with a server staying unused , because it could not be
possible to run them due to unacceptable slow execution .
It could not be possible to find a solution to remedy this problem . I have
switched to ( Linux ) Mandriva . Some time later Mndrive has died
and I have switched Fedora and I am now using it continuously  on all my
computers including a NFS server .

What is the problem with FreeBSD ?

There is no problem with FreeBSD .  The problem is it requires an MSc
degree ( as exaggerated ) in "How to use FreeBSD" .
Always , approximately many persons are saying that use of FreeBSD requires
"expertise" to use it . In that case the problem is
how to acquire that expertise .

If memory of a person is not very sharp , it is necessary to use a thick
binder of flash cards about how to install and "adjust" parameters
to be able to use it .

When KDE is used , it is possible ( perhaps easy ) to use peripherals like
in Linux or Windows : No CD , DVD record , no USB stick usage ,
etc. , if you do not know how to use them through your expertise .


Documentation is very excellent , but with a "SINGLE" Handbook or Manuals
attempting to cover  ALL of the active versions , which is not possible to
represent them correctly . I have suggested that "Please make Handbook and
Manuals ( these may be ) a part of sources and
and a version branched continue to improve Handbook about that version . I
think that this idea is not supported .
This common Handbook contains many errors due to not being updated
correctly with respect to versions
( I say that doing this in that way makes it extremely difficult ) . ( I
want to say that my PhD is about
"A Multi-Media Information Management System . The more correct name would
be... Knowledge ... , but
the system is able to design , manage ( Data , Information , Knowledge ),
their average may be considered Information ...  )


If FreeBSD does not change it policy to move toward "average" ( in the
sense of "not expert" ) user level , for me , its future will be
difficult because if the user base is small it will  likely not many people
will support it because , especially commercial companies will not
be able to recover expenses about supporting the FreeBSD , meaning their
efforts will be on the "loss" side  ( excluding exceptions ) .



I have opened many bug reports many years before . To my knowledge at least
many of them have been resolved .
At present I am  a subscriber of many mailing lists of FreeBSD and
continuously I am reading them .
My primary aim is to take a copy of FreeBSD and start from scratch to
develop a new one with a very different development
structure to improve it because I need such an operating system to support
my knowledge base design and management
system . The current structure and development system is not able to
support it . The best operating system seems to be FreeBSD ,
if it is not , the next one is DragonFly BSD . Perhaps the other BSD
variants are also good , I do not know in detail .


Thank you to all of the developers and users of FreeBSD , and my best
wishes are for you in this CoVid-19 pandemic and all other days ,
forever .


Mehmet Erol Sanliturk





> On Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 1:58 PM David Raver <david.raver at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > To Whom It May Concern:
> >
> > This is not merely a question, it's mostly a complaint. Let me explain.
> >
> > Some time ago I started a (c++) project which I wanted to make as general
> > (in an OS sense) as possible.
> > Meaning: the same source (with as little of ifdefs as possible) should
> > compile, link and run on as many operating systems as possible.
> >
> > So... out of the BSD family I chose FreeBSD as I'd read/heard that it had
> > been... well... the best.
> >
> > I installed it into a VirtualBox. Can't remember how, but it was what a
> > developer needed: a graphical environment, everything easily accessible.
> As
> > it should be.
> >
> > Then the project was put aside for quite some time until a couple of
> months
> > ago when it's extensive generalization was brought to a stage when it
> > worked on Linux, MacOS and Windows, it's primary systems.
> >
> > So, I fired a VirtualBox up again meaning to try to build it on FreeBSD.
> > Sadly it didn't work. Not that it didn't compile. It did. The linker
> > failed, though.
> > Researching why, I came to a conclusion that it's version didn't support
> > what I'd needed. OK, I said, an upgrade should fix that.
> > Not being small-time I decided to not only upgrade the c++ (g++)
> > development platform, but rather the whole operating system. I looked up
> > (on Google) how to do it and... I did it. I mean I started the upgrade.
> >
> > Pay attention now because here it's where it all starts: the upgrade
> failed
> > in such a way that not only the c++ development platform was unusable,
> but
> > the OS refused to boot. All I'd seen had been a black screen.
> >
> > Steam started to blow out of my ears, but I still kept it together. OK, I
> > said, maybe the upgrade wasn't a good decision anyway.
> > Let's start from scratch and install the latest version (13) which will
> > automatically solve all of the problems.
> > Fired up a VirtualBox, created a new machine using the downloaded (
> > https://www.freebsd.org/where/) file. Booted up with the option 1
> > (multiple
> > users, as it should be the usual case, right?).
> > Instead of the expected GUI and some dialogs creating the user account I
> > was met with the console demanding username and password from me. What?!?
> > The first thing that went through my mind was that if this had been the
> > case with a certain Microsoft's operating system, it surely wouldn't have
> > had the market share it has today.
> >
> > After a little research (man, I love the small print!) on your page I
> came
> > up with the account data and logged in. OK, I said, this isn't going to
> do.
> > I need a GUI and some developer tools. Let's install that.
> > But, the OS said, you can't do that unless you're a superuser. No
> problem.
> > Tried sudo as I'm used to from Linux. Nope. Tried su. It said: "Sorry".
> > What?!?
> > Google helped again: in order to do that one must choose option 2 while
> > booting. Fsck!?! Obviously one must have a BSD degree to use a computer.
> > OK, after a restart (and successful su) I googled about installing a GUI
> > (KDE to be exact). Being unpleasantly surprised that, instead of a
> > oneliner, one has to buy a new keyboard with an extended life expectancy
> in
> > order to type an equivalent of Tolstoy's War and Peace.
> > Man, how hard is it to put something in a shell script?!?
> >
> > Before embarking on such an enterprise, I read some more small print and
> > found out that, before that, one has to install X (probably demanding
> > another fresh keyboard). And before that one has to install something
> else
> > still.
> > Can't remember what because I shut the OS down and hit a couple of dels
> > removing everything even remotely related to FreeBSD from my computer.
> >
> > So, before yous geniuses decide to make an OS even remotely usable so
> that
> > an average developer doesn't need to have a doctorate of General BSDvity
> > Theory in order to use it, it's Goodby from me Argentina.
> >
> > D.
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