Paul Procacci pprocacci at
Sun Jul 11 16:54:45 UTC 2021

It's okay to fail and blame your failure on your lack of abilities.  No one
here will hold that against you.

FreeBSD is superior to most others in many many ways.
Surely it has some warts, but they are far and few between.

I've been saying this for 3 decades now and I continue to say it.  FreeBSD
is an administrators' OS at heart.
Whether true or not at this point in time is mostly irrelevant to me only
that I still say it.

YOU failed to conquer it; that's no one else's fault but your own.


On Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 1:58 PM David Raver <david.raver at> wrote:

> To Whom It May Concern:
> This is not merely a question, it's mostly a complaint. Let me explain.
> Some time ago I started a (c++) project which I wanted to make as general
> (in an OS sense) as possible.
> Meaning: the same source (with as little of ifdefs as possible) should
> compile, link and run on as many operating systems as possible.
> So... out of the BSD family I chose FreeBSD as I'd read/heard that it had
> been... well... the best.
> I installed it into a VirtualBox. Can't remember how, but it was what a
> developer needed: a graphical environment, everything easily accessible. As
> it should be.
> Then the project was put aside for quite some time until a couple of months
> ago when it's extensive generalization was brought to a stage when it
> worked on Linux, MacOS and Windows, it's primary systems.
> So, I fired a VirtualBox up again meaning to try to build it on FreeBSD.
> Sadly it didn't work. Not that it didn't compile. It did. The linker
> failed, though.
> Researching why, I came to a conclusion that it's version didn't support
> what I'd needed. OK, I said, an upgrade should fix that.
> Not being small-time I decided to not only upgrade the c++ (g++)
> development platform, but rather the whole operating system. I looked up
> (on Google) how to do it and... I did it. I mean I started the upgrade.
> Pay attention now because here it's where it all starts: the upgrade failed
> in such a way that not only the c++ development platform was unusable, but
> the OS refused to boot. All I'd seen had been a black screen.
> Steam started to blow out of my ears, but I still kept it together. OK, I
> said, maybe the upgrade wasn't a good decision anyway.
> Let's start from scratch and install the latest version (13) which will
> automatically solve all of the problems.
> Fired up a VirtualBox, created a new machine using the downloaded (
> file. Booted up with the option 1
> (multiple
> users, as it should be the usual case, right?).
> Instead of the expected GUI and some dialogs creating the user account I
> was met with the console demanding username and password from me. What?!?
> The first thing that went through my mind was that if this had been the
> case with a certain Microsoft's operating system, it surely wouldn't have
> had the market share it has today.
> After a little research (man, I love the small print!) on your page I came
> up with the account data and logged in. OK, I said, this isn't going to do.
> I need a GUI and some developer tools. Let's install that.
> But, the OS said, you can't do that unless you're a superuser. No problem.
> Tried sudo as I'm used to from Linux. Nope. Tried su. It said: "Sorry".
> What?!?
> Google helped again: in order to do that one must choose option 2 while
> booting. Fsck!?! Obviously one must have a BSD degree to use a computer.
> OK, after a restart (and successful su) I googled about installing a GUI
> (KDE to be exact). Being unpleasantly surprised that, instead of a
> oneliner, one has to buy a new keyboard with an extended life expectancy in
> order to type an equivalent of Tolstoy's War and Peace.
> Man, how hard is it to put something in a shell script?!?
> Before embarking on such an enterprise, I read some more small print and
> found out that, before that, one has to install X (probably demanding
> another fresh keyboard). And before that one has to install something else
> still.
> Can't remember what because I shut the OS down and hit a couple of dels
> removing everything even remotely related to FreeBSD from my computer.
> So, before yous geniuses decide to make an OS even remotely usable so that
> an average developer doesn't need to have a doctorate of General BSDvity
> Theory in order to use it, it's Goodby from me Argentina.
> D.
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