Firefox or what?

Paul Pathiakis pathiaki2 at
Thu Aug 15 14:01:18 UTC 2019

 Also, I appreciated the helpfulness of the people on this list.  However, since there doesn't seem to be any issues that aren't relevant or made up here, please take the ongoing issue offlist if possible.
Have a conversation via e-mail with hw directly so the rest of us who want to help people or have genuine issues they need help with can continue to do so.
If you actually do encounter a real issue, it wouldn't be a bad thing to post a synopsis and resolution to the maillist after the fact.
It's that simple.
Thank for doing so,

    On Thursday, August 15, 2019, 9:55:04 AM EDT, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions at> wrote:  
I also, have no issues with .0 from FreeBSD.
I entirely ignore all Linux kernel major releases for at LEAST 6 months to get rid of the major issues.
Then I wait for the functional and security exploit patches for the next 2-4 years.
Again, calling a RELEASE a BETA without understanding the project, reading the release process and the release notes. Quite possibly, maybe you don't even understanding the difference of a BETA vs RC and the levels thereof. 

Refusing to produce any documentation regarding the environment, the configuration, etc...
QA, TEST, RELEASE, BUG TRACKING are all handled in the traditional (aka the most painstaking manner of software engineering perfection) in the FreBSD project.  

You refuse to read.  You refuse to write.  You point at irrelevant bugs.
Just a troll.  However, the interesting this is you remind me almost identically of the same troll that shows up every 6 months on this list.
Anyhow, here's your information and I hope that the very helpful people on this list realize there are no problems here, just a consumption of resources.
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    On Thursday, August 15, 2019, 9:25:06 AM EDT, Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve at> wrote:  
 On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:37:05 +0200
hw <hw at> wrote:

> Then why doesn't the documentation warn about this?  I was trying to
> find out what the recommended stable version is, and that seems to be
> 12 release.  Why call it release when it's still beta?

    It is a release, the first release in a major version that has
been through all the normal release engineering process with particular
care applied to new features and major rewrites as you would expect from
any well run release engineering team.

    Many people prefer to avoid the first release in a major version of
*anything* because new features and major rewrites often have unexpected
side effects and bugs that don't come to light until after release.

    FreeBSD historically (I've been using it since 1.1.5) has been
pretty good at .0 release (kudos to the release engineering teams - and
let us draw a kindly veil over 5.0[1]) but nobody is perfect and expecting
the worst of .0 releases is sensible caution.

[1] There were good reasons this was a painful disaster.

Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve at>
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