Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

Chad Perrin perrin at
Mon Jun 11 19:44:38 UTC 2012

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 02:46:49PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:44:11 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated:
> >On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:59:46PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> >> 
> >> Your paranoia is kicking in again isn't it Chad. Anyway, to address
> >> your sports analogy, if I walk into a NY City bar and enter into a
> >> discussion regarding the pros and cons of the Jets VS Giants, which
> >> in itself is ridiculous since neither is actually located in NY, and
> >> blatantly scream out that the (Jets of Giants -- you pick) are a
> >> bunch of mother-fucking, wife beating pedophiles, I think you would
> >> agree, unless you happen to belong to that group, that I have gone
> >> way over the top in my team assessment. There is a major difference
> >> between criticizing and defamation. Perhaps someday you will learn
> >> the difference. For the record, I have never heard of anyone using
> >> the term "mafia" while referring to the FOSS. Then again, the
> >> "Mafia" is a highly organized operation. I might also add that many
> >> people of Italian descent consider the term "mafia" offensive.
> >
> >I'm going to actually ignore your completely irrelevant and hilariously
> >unfounded attempt at psychiatric diagnosis beyond this sentence, and
> >get to the point:
> >
> >Ignoring for the moment it is true that I have
> >generally not heard of open source software or its community referred
> >to as "mafia", but I have heard of such things referred to as being
> >socialist, fascist, or otherwise pejoratively accused of inapplicable
> >political, criminal, or generally objectionable (in at least someone's
> >eyes) character.  Three guesses who comes first to mind as having made
> >such statements, and the first two guesses don't count.
> I love the way you make a statement, then add a qualifier to the
> statement making it virtually impossible to attack as well as giving
> yourself a way out. I'll explain further in my reply near the end of
> this post.

This is interesting coming from someone whose immediately preceding
comment was an Internet diagnosis of paranoia coupled with a hypocritical
accusation of inappropriate phrasing directed at a third party.

> >> >I, for one, generally try to avoid saying nonfactually disparaging
> >> >things about Microsoft or (especially) users of software peddled by
> >> >Microsoft in venues like this mailing list, in part because it's a
> >> >bit unsportsmanlike, and in part because it doesn't really
> >> >contribute anything positive.  It's kind of mind-boggling that
> >> >people like you make no evident effort to avoid saying disparaging
> >> >things about FreeBSD and its users in venues like this mailing
> >> >list, where it's trollish, does not contribute anything positive,
> >> >and directly offends large numbers of people subscribed to the list.
> >> 
> >> When was this election held Chad? I am referring to the one that
> >> appointed you list spokesperson. In any case, you make an interesting
> >> statement without offering any documentation. Are you a politician
> >> Chad? I was inquiring because you seem to like making sound bites
> >> sans substance.
> >
> >I referred to no election.  I am not list spokesperson, nor do I
> >pretend to be or act as one, any more than you are the spokesperson for
> >capitalism.  I'm simply pointing out that you are an insufferable,
> >trollish jackass, initially in a polite manner.  The fact you avoid
> >actually engaging my points, in favor of simply bleating about
> >transgressions I haven't even made, does a fairly good job of
> >supporting my statements.
> As stated above in my latest response, it is difficult to counter a
> statement by you since you don't really state anything. You say, "I
> have heard of such things referred to as being socialist,
> fascist, ..." (truncated by me) etcetera. Well who the hell hasn't.
> News flash --  that isn't one. Then you add the "(in at least someone's
> eyes)" qualifier making it impossible to argue with. A good
> politician's trick by the way. Are you sure you are not into politics?
> If it were not for your paranoia, you could probably be a good one. You
> say nothing and speak volumes. Seriously, look over your postings for
> the past year. Your "transgressions I haven't even made" and similar
> statements are reproduced in an alarming number of them.

The obvious implication here is that you are one of those people who
makes comments insinuating (or outright claiming) socialist or fascist
ethics dominating open source communities.  I make no bones about the
fact I made implicative reference to you in that statement, so you don't
need to play dumb and pretend you don't know I was pointing out your own

The "at least in someone's eyes" parenthetical remark was in reference to
the presumably pejorative character of some remarks people like you often
make.  Nice job pretending I meant something else with that parenthetical
remark, though.  Your tendency to (intentionally, I think) misrepresent
the context of my statements when you fail to find a concrete argument to
present proves you're a real class act.  What "class" that is, I leave as
an inference for the reader.

I'm not sure what you're talking about with regard to the transgressions
I haven't made.  I did not refer to anyone as "mafia" in this list, to my
recollection, and I would be quite interested in seeing verifiable quotes
of me saying such a thing.  I similarly do not recall expressing a
pathological fear of persecution here.  I pointed out that one person
(not you) failed to say something worthwhile in an earlier email, and
that another person (you) have unreasonable expectations if you really
think that you have given nobody any reason to call you a troll or refer
to what you do as flamebaiting when you show up in a FreeBSD community
mailing list and accuse open source software users and advocates of
pejoratively socialist, fascist, and otherwise reprehensible behavior in
your eyes just because they prefer something other than MS Windows, often
lumping an entire community in with a single noisy individual.

> >
> >The only good things I can say about you at this point are that:
> >
> >A. your email reply scaffolding does not reproduce people's email
> >addresses in a manner that will end up on Web archives of the list,
> >unlike some people
> >
> >B. your command of the English language is not atrocious
> >
> >C. you sometimes keep your virtual mouth shut
> Thank you so very much Chad. I honestly cannot think of anything I am
> going to enjoy more for the next indeterminate amount of time than
> putting your "Chad Approved" rating on my posts.

Everyone needs goals, I suppose.

Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: ]

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