Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

Jerry jerry at
Mon Jun 11 18:46:54 UTC 2012

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:44:11 -0600
Chad Perrin articulated:

>On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:59:46PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:11:11 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated:
>> >On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 07:23:20AM -0400, Jerry wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> It is fairly easy to understand both sides in this discussion.
>> >> When Microsoft supporters refer to open-source software as
>> >> "open-sore" or "socialist-software" the FOSS community becomes
>> >> enraged. However, when the open-source community retaliates it is
>> >> considered acceptable. Quite frankly I read far more Microsoft
>> >> based forums than open-source based ones and I can say without a
>> >> doubt, at least in my experience, Microsoft proponents never
>> >> attack open-source with the venomous hatred that open-source
>> >> attacks Microsoft. In fact, the majority of Microsoft users that
>> >> I know could not care less about what they consider an overly
>> >> burdensome (geeky) open-source operating system.
>> >> 
>> >> The whole argument can probably be boiled do to this:
>> >> 
>> >> Disparaging other operating systems (Microsoft) and pointing out
>> >> its failures is beneficial, constructive and therapeutic.
>> >> Pointing out problems and failures regarding your own OS is
>> >> destructive and flame bait.
>> >
>> >Perhaps you're spending too much time in the community venues of
>> >open source software projects.  In communities devoted to use of
>> >software peddled by Microsoft, the reverse would be true, and this
>> >seems to me not the least bit surprising, or even particularly
>> >inappropriate. When you stroll into a venue where it can reasonably
>> >be assumed there is a general consensus position of favoring one
>> >thing over another (such as a sports bar in Colorado, which would
>> >likely favor the Broncos over the Raiders), then start loudly
>> >proclaiming the evils of the favored thing relative to the
>> >unfavored (such as talking about how much better the Raiders are
>> >than the Broncos, and how the Broncos fans are all a bunch of pansy
>> >whiners, as you tend to do about open source software users and
>> >advocates while you're hanging out here on a FreeBSD mailing list),
>> >what you are contributing to the discussion may quite
>> >understandably be called "flamebait".  Expressing surprise that
>> >someone would apply such a label in these circumstances is, in my
>> >estimation, at least disingenuous if not wholly ludicrous, directly
>> >deceptive, and/or frankly dumb.
>> Your paranoia is kicking in again isn't it Chad. Anyway, to address
>> your sports analogy, if I walk into a NY City bar and enter into a
>> discussion regarding the pros and cons of the Jets VS Giants, which
>> in itself is ridiculous since neither is actually located in NY, and
>> blatantly scream out that the (Jets of Giants -- you pick) are a
>> bunch of mother-fucking, wife beating pedophiles, I think you would
>> agree, unless you happen to belong to that group, that I have gone
>> way over the top in my team assessment. There is a major difference
>> between criticizing and defamation. Perhaps someday you will learn
>> the difference. For the record, I have never heard of anyone using
>> the term "mafia" while referring to the FOSS. Then again, the
>> "Mafia" is a highly organized operation. I might also add that many
>> people of Italian descent consider the term "mafia" offensive.
>I'm going to actually ignore your completely irrelevant and hilariously
>unfounded attempt at psychiatric diagnosis beyond this sentence, and
>get to the point:
>Ignoring for the moment it is true that I have
>generally not heard of open source software or its community referred
>to as "mafia", but I have heard of such things referred to as being
>socialist, fascist, or otherwise pejoratively accused of inapplicable
>political, criminal, or generally objectionable (in at least someone's
>eyes) character.  Three guesses who comes first to mind as having made
>such statements, and the first two guesses don't count.

I love the way you make a statement, then add a qualifier to the
statement making it virtually impossible to attack as well as giving
yourself a way out. I'll explain further in my reply near the end of
this post.

>> >I, for one, generally try to avoid saying nonfactually disparaging
>> >things about Microsoft or (especially) users of software peddled by
>> >Microsoft in venues like this mailing list, in part because it's a
>> >bit unsportsmanlike, and in part because it doesn't really
>> >contribute anything positive.  It's kind of mind-boggling that
>> >people like you make no evident effort to avoid saying disparaging
>> >things about FreeBSD and its users in venues like this mailing
>> >list, where it's trollish, does not contribute anything positive,
>> >and directly offends large numbers of people subscribed to the list.
>> When was this election held Chad? I am referring to the one that
>> appointed you list spokesperson. In any case, you make an interesting
>> statement without offering any documentation. Are you a politician
>> Chad? I was inquiring because you seem to like making sound bites
>> sans substance.
>I referred to no election.  I am not list spokesperson, nor do I
>pretend to be or act as one, any more than you are the spokesperson for
>capitalism.  I'm simply pointing out that you are an insufferable,
>trollish jackass, initially in a polite manner.  The fact you avoid
>actually engaging my points, in favor of simply bleating about
>transgressions I haven't even made, does a fairly good job of
>supporting my statements.

As stated above in my latest response, it is difficult to counter a
statement by you since you don't really state anything. You say, "I
have heard of such things referred to as being socialist,
fascist, ..." (truncated by me) etcetera. Well who the hell hasn't.
News flash --  that isn't one. Then you add the "(in at least someone's
eyes)" qualifier making it impossible to argue with. A good
politician's trick by the way. Are you sure you are not into politics?
If it were not for your paranoia, you could probably be a good one. You
say nothing and speak volumes. Seriously, look over your postings for
the past year. Your "transgressions I haven't even made" and similar
statements are reproduced in an alarming number of them.

>The only good things I can say about you at this point are that:
>A. your email reply scaffolding does not reproduce people's email
>addresses in a manner that will end up on Web archives of the list,
>unlike some people
>B. your command of the English language is not atrocious
>C. you sometimes keep your virtual mouth shut

Thank you so very much Chad. I honestly cannot think of anything I am
going to enjoy more for the next indeterminate amount of time than
putting your "Chad Approved" rating on my posts.

Jerry ♔	{This author has been Chad Perrin approved}

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