Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

Chad Perrin perrin at
Mon Jun 11 17:44:13 UTC 2012

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:59:46PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:11:11 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated:
> >On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 07:23:20AM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> >> 
> >> It is fairly easy to understand both sides in this discussion. When
> >> Microsoft supporters refer to open-source software as "open-sore" or
> >> "socialist-software" the FOSS community becomes enraged. However,
> >> when the open-source community retaliates it is considered
> >> acceptable. Quite frankly I read far more Microsoft based forums
> >> than open-source based ones and I can say without a doubt, at least
> >> in my experience, Microsoft proponents never attack open-source with
> >> the venomous hatred that open-source attacks Microsoft. In fact, the
> >> majority of Microsoft users that I know could not care less about
> >> what they consider an overly burdensome (geeky) open-source
> >> operating system.
> >> 
> >> The whole argument can probably be boiled do to this:
> >> 
> >> Disparaging other operating systems (Microsoft) and pointing out its
> >> failures is beneficial, constructive and therapeutic. Pointing out
> >> problems and failures regarding your own OS is destructive and flame
> >> bait.
> >
> >Perhaps you're spending too much time in the community venues of open
> >source software projects.  In communities devoted to use of software
> >peddled by Microsoft, the reverse would be true, and this seems to me
> >not the least bit surprising, or even particularly inappropriate.
> >When you stroll into a venue where it can reasonably be assumed there
> >is a general consensus position of favoring one thing over another
> >(such as a sports bar in Colorado, which would likely favor the
> >Broncos over the Raiders), then start loudly proclaiming the evils of
> >the favored thing relative to the unfavored (such as talking about how
> >much better the Raiders are than the Broncos, and how the Broncos fans
> >are all a bunch of pansy whiners, as you tend to do about open source
> >software users and advocates while you're hanging out here on a
> >FreeBSD mailing list), what you are contributing to the discussion may
> >quite understandably be called "flamebait".  Expressing surprise that
> >someone would apply such a label in these circumstances is, in my
> >estimation, at least disingenuous if not wholly ludicrous, directly
> >deceptive, and/or frankly dumb.
> Your paranoia is kicking in again isn't it Chad. Anyway, to address
> your sports analogy, if I walk into a NY City bar and enter into a
> discussion regarding the pros and cons of the Jets VS Giants, which in
> itself is ridiculous since neither is actually located in NY, and
> blatantly scream out that the (Jets of Giants -- you pick) are a bunch
> of mother-fucking, wife beating pedophiles, I think you would agree,
> unless you happen to belong to that group, that I have gone way over
> the top in my team assessment. There is a major difference between
> criticizing and defamation. Perhaps someday you will learn the
> difference. For the record, I have never heard of anyone using the term
> "mafia" while referring to the FOSS. Then again, the "Mafia" is a
> highly organized operation. I might also add that many people of
> Italian descent consider the term "mafia" offensive.

I'm going to actually ignore your completely irrelevant and hilariously
unfounded attempt at psychiatric diagnosis beyond this sentence, and get
to the point:

Ignoring for the moment it is true that I have
generally not heard of open source software or its community referred to
as "mafia", but I have heard of such things referred to as being
socialist, fascist, or otherwise pejoratively accused of inapplicable
political, criminal, or generally objectionable (in at least someone's
eyes) character.  Three guesses who comes first to mind as having made
such statements, and the first two guesses don't count.

> >
> >I, for one, generally try to avoid saying nonfactually disparaging
> >things about Microsoft or (especially) users of software peddled by
> >Microsoft in venues like this mailing list, in part because it's a bit
> >unsportsmanlike, and in part because it doesn't really contribute
> >anything positive.  It's kind of mind-boggling that people like you
> >make no evident effort to avoid saying disparaging things about
> >FreeBSD and its users in venues like this mailing list, where it's
> >trollish, does not contribute anything positive, and directly offends
> >large numbers of people subscribed to the list.
> When was this election held Chad? I am referring to the one that
> appointed you list spokesperson. In any case, you make an interesting
> statement without offering any documentation. Are you a politician
> Chad? I was inquiring because you seem to like making sound bites sans
> substance.

I referred to no election.  I am not list spokesperson, nor do I pretend
to be or act as one, any more than you are the spokesperson for
capitalism.  I'm simply pointing out that you are an insufferable,
trollish jackass, initially in a polite manner.  The fact you avoid
actually engaging my points, in favor of simply bleating about
transgressions I haven't even made, does a fairly good job of supporting
my statements.

The only good things I can say about you at this point are that:

A. your email reply scaffolding does not reproduce people's email
addresses in a manner that will end up on Web archives of the list,
unlike some people

B. your command of the English language is not atrocious

C. you sometimes keep your virtual mouth shut

Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: ]

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