Do we need this junk?

Wilko Bulte wb at
Fri Apr 6 22:16:12 UTC 2007

On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 04:48:50PM -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote..
> On 4/6/07, M. Warner Losh <imp at> wrote:
> >In message: <ef10de9a0704061136s2dc35c06w431d6d3f8c05dc1 at>
> >            "Nikolas Britton" <nikolas.britton at> writes:
> >: Where is this coming from? I'm trying to debate some of the issues
> >: with FreeBSD and the only thing you've added to this thread is fuck
> >: off? Why?
> >
> >Because you have used language that is somewhat absolute and have not
> >done a market research on who actually uses FreeBSD.  You have also
> >shown a fundamental lack of understanding of how modern machines are
> >put together as well, since you think all things ISA are obsolete
> >(they are not).
> >
> >As others have noted, there's a very large and vibrant embedded
> >FreeBSD community.  This community makes real and meaningful
> >contributions to FreeBSD.  Over the years, I've made thousands of
> >commits to the tree, funded in large part by the embedded companies
> >that I have worked for, including CardBus, PC Card, SD/MMC,
> >infrasturcutre changes, etc.
> >
> >Frankly, we'd rather tell a new, upstart to get bent than to tell
> >actual users and supports of FreeBSD to get bent by removing the
> >offending items from the tree.  It really is a no-brainer.
> >
> New upstart? I have not been using FreeBSD for as long as you but I'm
> definitely not new here, I've been using and hacking on FreeBSD for
> over 5 years now and my professional experience with almost every
> operating system under the sun goes back much much farther. If the
> project leadership doesn't give a shit about the users then I guess I
> don't give a shit about project. Good bye. I'm sure Sun would mind new
> users.

Happy trails.  Please do not return.

Wilko Bulte				wilko at

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