Do we need this junk?

Nikolas Britton nikolas.britton at
Fri Apr 6 21:48:51 UTC 2007

On 4/6/07, M. Warner Losh <imp at> wrote:
> In message: <ef10de9a0704061136s2dc35c06w431d6d3f8c05dc1 at>
>             "Nikolas Britton" <nikolas.britton at> writes:
> : Where is this coming from? I'm trying to debate some of the issues
> : with FreeBSD and the only thing you've added to this thread is fuck
> : off? Why?
> Because you have used language that is somewhat absolute and have not
> done a market research on who actually uses FreeBSD.  You have also
> shown a fundamental lack of understanding of how modern machines are
> put together as well, since you think all things ISA are obsolete
> (they are not).
> As others have noted, there's a very large and vibrant embedded
> FreeBSD community.  This community makes real and meaningful
> contributions to FreeBSD.  Over the years, I've made thousands of
> commits to the tree, funded in large part by the embedded companies
> that I have worked for, including CardBus, PC Card, SD/MMC,
> infrasturcutre changes, etc.
> Frankly, we'd rather tell a new, upstart to get bent than to tell
> actual users and supports of FreeBSD to get bent by removing the
> offending items from the tree.  It really is a no-brainer.

New upstart? I have not been using FreeBSD for as long as you but I'm
definitely not new here, I've been using and hacking on FreeBSD for
over 5 years now and my professional experience with almost every
operating system under the sun goes back much much farther. If the
project leadership doesn't give a shit about the users then I guess I
don't give a shit about project. Good bye. I'm sure Sun would mind new

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