advocacy/89731: TOO MANY SPAMs on jp.freebsd.org's mailing list
jhb at FreeBSD.org
Wed Nov 30 04:39:26 GMT 2005
On Nov 30, 2005, at 3:20 AM, Takeo Hashimoto wrote:
> The following reply was made to PR advocacy/89731; it has been
> noted by GNATS.
> From: takeo at ss.jip.co.jp (Takeo Hashimoto)
> To: jhb at freebsd.org, postmaster at jp.FreeBSD.org
> Cc: freebsd-advocacy at freebsd.org, hashimototakeo at mac.com,
> freebsd-gnats-submit at freebsd.org, takeo at ss.jip.co.jp
> Subject: Re: advocacy/89731: TOO MANY SPAMs on jp.freebsd.org's
> mailing list
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:12:09 +0900
> Hi all.
> # Sorry from another 'from' address,
> # but I am the sender of advocacy/89731.
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:28:31 -0500
> John Baldwin wrote:
>> On Tuesday 29 November 2005 12:36 pm, Takeo Hashimoto wrote:
>>> there are too many spams on jp.freebsd.org's mailing list.
>>> - newbie can not find any kind of know-how from ML archive site.
>>> - almost expert user are disappointed at miserable state of
>>> - oldie does not think about mass happiness.
>>> - once you post article to lists, spammer get your address from
>>> - waste network traffic and server resource.
>>> - distinct honor of "FreeBSD is a freedom for spammer"
>> Note that FreeBSD.org doesn't administer the services on
>> Instead, jp.FreeBSD.org is delegated to a separate group that
>> manages all of
>> the resources for jp.FreeBSD.org including DNS, mailing lists,
>> etc. You need
>> to contact the folks there via postmaster at jp.FreeBSD.org. Note
>> also that
>> spam is an unfortunate reality and that there is only so much that
>> a public
>> mailing list run by volunteers in their spare time can do.
> I know that jp.FreeBSD.org is just one of sub domain
> of FreeBSD.org, and FreeBSD.org doesn't administer it,
> and FreeBSD.org doesn't have a fault about this.
> But spam damages FreeBSD own honor.
> I think that this is a whole FreeBSD problem, and
> I think that only FreeBSD.org can make jp.FreeBSD.org change.
> # so I did send-pr.
> Of course I know the admins of jp.freebsd.org are busy.
> I respect thier volunteer mind, but sorry to say,
> the way admin do it is arbitrary.
> I think transparency and democracy is necessary
> for a decision on will, like a core team.
> OK, we can protect our mailbox by some filter. but spam
> pollutes ML archive (on the web) and spammer can get more
> reachable addresses. That is not an individual problem.
> that is a matter of ML management policy.
> and it should be changed to get happiness of the majority.
> Admins are volunteer, and they don't have much time,
> so we have to search the solution which get the biggest
> effect by the minimum cost.
> I think "restrict_post" is the answer.
If you do this for all of the mailing lists then someone has to spend
their volunteer time wading through the blocked e-mails to send on
the ones which are valid. This means that someone new to FreeBSD
will likely have their questions lost because the e-mail will never
make it to the list (e.g. freebsd-questions) and would make it that
much harder for new people to get help getting started with FreeBSD.
Adding restrict_post actually is a lot of work on the admins since
someone has to handle all the bounced e-mails.
John Baldwin <jhb at FreeBSD.org> <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/
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