migrating from thunderbird to mutt?

Joshua Tinnin krinklyfig at spymac.com
Tue Dec 21 07:21:50 PST 2004

On Tuesday 21 December 2004 03:04 am, Giorgos Keramidas 
<keramida at ceid.upatras.gr> wrote:
> On 2004-12-20 09:32, Joshua Tinnin <krinklyfig at spymac.com> wrote:
> > On Monday 20 December 2004 08:41 am, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> > > So, why do people fear real MTAs so much and try to do their work
> > > with "light, fast, broken, almost-there MTAs"?
> >
> > As for me, it's because my box is in a LAN with a router using a
> > dynamic IP, so I can't get a fully-qualified domain name.
> You can always install a local DNS server that allows 'internal'
> machines to use their own domain (only visible to internal hosts) but
> forwards all other requests to your ISPs name servers.
> > This also causes some minor issues with fbsd, but not so much that
> > I can't work with it. As for using Sendmail as the MTA just so Mutt
> > can pass off email to an SMTP server, I've tried configuring it for
> > weeks now, and I'm still not there.
> You have to solve the DNS problems first.  Sendmail, like all MTAs
> I've seen, depends on a working DNS setup.

Yes, I began to realize this somewhere along the line. However, I've 
managed to get Mutt working with esmtp for now, although Sendmail is 
still the MTA for the system internally. This is not an ideal solution 
for me, as I mentioned I want to learn how to do this the right way. 
But just at the moment I'm not quite ready to tackle DNS (which I'm 
sure is "easy" for those who know it, but which is almost as confusing 
as MTAs for those of us who don't). I already have a machine in my LAN 
set up to use for it when the time comes, so it will happen soon 

> > I may end up using esmtp if it can save some headaches, although I
> > purposely tried to get Sendmail to work so that I could do it the
> > "right" way. Well, I still want to learn, but it's one of the most
> > confusing and frustrating experiences I've ever had dealing with
> > software, and I'm not alone in this.
> This list is frequented by many knowledgeable people who can help you
> with setting up Sendmail on FreeBSD.  You may be pointed at README
> files like `/usr/share/sendmail/cf/README' from time to time, but it
> never hurts to ask :-)

That's very true, and I appreciate this, but at the same time, at this 
moment I'm going to wait on configuring local DNS. I've managed to 
learn quite a bit about FreeBSD since I started using it that sounded 
completely confusing at first, but at the moment I'm dealing with 
starting back to college after many years and finding a new job, among 
other things, so it's not my first priority. But I'll be sure to bring 
it up when that moment comes, which shouldn't be too long. Oh, just you 
wait ... ;)

> > *That's* why people fear "real" MTAs so much, because mail transfer
> > protocols and software at the low level is very complicated and
> > extremely finicky in ways that aren't documented clearly.
> I see.  You do have a point there :/

Yes, for instance, it took me a long time to figure out what's up with 
"dnl." I've read through quite a bit at the Sendmail site itself, and, 
while their documentation is quite thorough, it's also obviously 
written for developers, moreso than most *nix docs. This is 
understandable, but there is a steep learning curve for those of us who 
aren't. Even the handbook recommends installing ssmtp for situations 
like mine 
but I want to learn all the tools. Anyway, again I appreciate it, and 
soon enough I'll take you ... or the list ... up on that offer.

- jt

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