Naming of Stable
Kevin Oberman
rkoberman at gmail.com
Fri Oct 10 17:28:44 UTC 2014
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 7:07 AM, Johan Hendriks <joh.hendriks at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello all.
>
> I used to track Stable 10, when I do a uname -a now I get the following.
>
> FreeBSD beasty.mylab.local 10.1-RC1 FreeBSD 10.1-RC1 #0 r272893: Fri Oct
> 10 15:40:39 CEST 2014 root at beasty.mylab.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KRNL
> amd64
>
> When I did a svnup today there where a lot of updates to zfs and the cam
> subsytem.
>
> * svn commit: r272629 - in stable/10: sys/cam/ctl usr.sbin/ctladm
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003378.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272630 - in stable/10: sys/cam/ctl usr.sbin/ctladm
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003379.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272631 - stable/10/sys/cam/ctl
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003380.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272632 - in stable/10/sys/cam: ctl scsi
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003381.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272633 - in stable/10/sys/cam: ctl scsi
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003382.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272634 - stable/10/sys/cam/ctl
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003383.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272635 - stable/10/sys/cam/ctl
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003384.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272636 - stable/10/sys/cam/ctl
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003385.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272637 - stable/10/sys/cam/ctl
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003386.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272638 - stable/10/sys/cam/ctl
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003387.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272639 - stable/10/sys/cam/ctl
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003388.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272640 - stable/10/sys/cam/ctl
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003389.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272641 - stable/10/sys/cam/ctl
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003390.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272642 - stable/10/sys/cam/ctl
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003391.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272643 - stable/10/sys/cam/ctl
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003392.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272644 - stable/10/sys/cam/ctl
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003393.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272645 - in stable/10/sys: netinet netinet6
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003394.html>/Michael
> Tuexen /
> * svn commit: r272646 - stable/10/sys/cam/ctl
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003395.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272647 - stable/10/sys/cam/ctl
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003396.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272648 - stable/10/sys/modules/netmap
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003397.html>/Luigi
> Rizzo /
> * svn commit: r272654 - stable/10/sys/dev/iscsi_initiator
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003398.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272656 - stable/10/sys/cam/scsi
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003399.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272657 - stable/10/sys/cam/scsi
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003400.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272660 - stable/10/sys/netinet
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003401.html>/Michael
> Tuexen /
> * svn commit: r272661 - in stable/10: share/man/man4 sys/netinet
> sys/netinet6
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003402.html>/Michael
> Tuexen /
> * svn commit: r272662 - stable/10/sys/netinet6
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003403.html>/Michael
> Tuexen /
> * svn commit: r272663 - stable/10/sys/netinet6
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003404.html>/Michael
> Tuexen /
> * svn commit: r272664 - stable/10/sys/netinet6
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003405.html>/Michael
> Tuexen /
> * svn commit: r272665 -
> stable/10/sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/fs/zfs
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003406.html>/Xin
> LI /
> * svn commit: r272672 - stable/10/sys/net
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003407.html>/Alan
> Somers /
> * svn commit: r272676 -
> stable/10/sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/fs/zfs
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003408.html>/Marcelo
> Araujo /
> * svn commit: r272680 - stable/10/sys/net
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003409.html>/Andrey
> V. Elsukov /
> * svn commit: r272688 - stable/10/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/cmd/zpool
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003410.html>/Andriy
> Gapon /
> * svn commit: r272690 - stable/10/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/cmd/zfs
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003411.html>/Andriy
> Gapon /
> * svn commit: r272693 - in stable/10/etc: . devd
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003412.html>/Andriy
> Gapon /
> * svn commit: r272696 - in stable/10/sys/boot: common i386/gptzfsboot
> i386/zfsboot
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003413.html>/Andriy
> Gapon /
> * svn commit: r272722 - stable/10/sys/vm
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003414.html>/Bryan
> Venteicher /
> * svn commit: r272724 - in stable/10: release release/amd64
> release/i386 share/man/man7
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003415.html>/Glen
> Barber /
> * svn commit: r272726 - stable/10/sys/kern
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003416.html>/Neel
> Natu /
> * svn commit: r272727 - in stable/10: release release/amd64
> release/i386 share/man/man7
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003417.html>/Glen
> Barber /
> o svn commit: r272727 - in stable/10: release release/amd64
> release/i386 share/man/man7
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003418.html>/Glen
> Barber /
> * svn commit: r272753 - stable/10/contrib/libc-vis
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003419.html>/Brooks
> Davis /
> * svn commit: r272754 - stable/10/sys/netinet6
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003420.html>/Michael
> Tuexen /
> * svn commit: r272758 - stable/10/lib/libc/stdtime
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003421.html>/Pedro
> F. Giffuni /
> * svn commit: r272773 - stable/10/usr.bin/mkimg
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003422.html>/Marcel
> Moolenaar /
> * svn commit: r272774 - stable/10/usr.bin/mkimg
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003423.html>/Marcel
> Moolenaar /
> * svn commit: r272775 - stable/10/usr.bin/mkimg
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003424.html>/Marcel
> Moolenaar /
> * svn commit: r272776 - stable/10/usr.bin/mkimg
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003425.html>/Marcel
> Moolenaar /
> * svn commit: r272790 - in stable/10: sbin/ifconfig sys/netinet6
> usr.bin/netstat
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003426.html>/Andrey
> V. Elsukov /
> * svn commit: r272798 - stable/10/sys/cam/ctl
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003427.html>/Alexander
> Motin /
> * svn commit: r272846 - stable/10/usr.bin/netstat
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003428.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272847 - stable/10/sys/netinet6
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003429.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272850 - in stable/10: include/rpcsvc lib/libc/rpc
> lib/libc/xdr usr.sbin/ypbind
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003430.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272852 - stable/10/sbin/route
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003431.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272853 - stable/10/sbin/route
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003432.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272854 - stable/10/sbin/mdconfig
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003433.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272855 - stable/10/usr.bin/netstat
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003434.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272856 - stable/10/etc
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003435.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272857 - stable/10/sys/netinet6
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003436.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272858 - stable/10/etc
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003437.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272859 - in stable/10/sys: netinet netinet6
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003438.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272860 - stable/10/usr.sbin/route6d
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003439.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272861 - in stable/10/etc: defaults rc.d
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003440.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272862 - in stable/10/etc: defaults rc.d
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003441.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> o svn commit: r272862 - in stable/10/etc: defaults rc.d
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003459.html>/Garrett
> Cooper /
> * svn commit: r272863 - stable/10/etc/rc.d
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003442.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272864 - stable/10/etc/rc.d
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003443.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272865 - stable/10/etc/rc.d
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003444.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272866 - stable/10/usr.bin/vmstat
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003445.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272867 - stable/10/sbin/dump
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003446.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272868 - in stable/10: etc sys/netinet
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003447.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272869 - stable/10/sys/netinet
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003448.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272870 - in stable/10/etc: defaults rc.d
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003449.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272871 - stable/10/sbin/ping6
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003450.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> o svn commit: r272871 - stable/10/sbin/ping6
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003452.html>/Bryan
> Drewery /
> + svn commit: r272871 - stable/10/sbin/ping6
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003455.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272872 - stable/10/sbin/routed
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003451.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272873 - stable/10/sbin/routed
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003453.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272874 - stable/10/etc
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003454.html>/Hiroki
> Sato /
> * svn commit: r272875 - in stable/10/sys: cddl/compat/opensolaris/kern
> cddl/compat/opensolaris/sys
> cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/fs/zfs vm
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003456.html>/Steven
> Hartland /
> * svn commit: r272877 - in stable/10: share/man/man9
> sys/cddl/compat/opensolaris/kern sys/cddl/compat/opensolaris/sys
> sys/conf sys/modules/zfs
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003457.html>/Steven
> Hartland /
> * svn commit: r272879 - in
> stable/10/sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/fs/zfs: . sys
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003458.html>/Steven
> Hartland /
> * svn commit: r272882 -
> stable/10/sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/fs/zfs
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003460.html>/Steven
> Hartland /
> * svn commit: r272883 -
> stable/10/sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/fs/zfs
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003461.html>/Steven
> Hartland /
> * svn commit: r272892 - stable/10/sys/dev/hwpmc
> <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-stable-10/
> 2014-October/003462.html>/Bjoern
> A. Zeeb /
>
> On a second system witch is tracking RELENG/10.1 I do not get these
> updates.
> I think it is a little confusing to know which updates will make it into
> 10.1 and which not at this point.
> Both systems report there are 10.1, should the stable tree not be renamed
> to 10.1 post-release or just stable/10
>
> regards
> Johan
>
This pops up most every time through the release cycle.
A week ago releng/10.1 was branched off of sable/10. At this point the
stable path was unfrozen and MFH of non-critical patches can begin. RE
typically requests that major changes be held until the actual release, but
other MFHs that have been held up due to the freeze so start getting
committed to stable. Any committer can request that RE allow any of these
changes be allowed into the RELENG branch, but RE is generally very hard to
convince unless the MFH fixes a critical issue (show stopper)or is clearly
innocuous. the latter is usually things like correcting errors in man pages
and text output to logs.
This has resulted in heated discussions which have. on occasion, made it to
core. It comes down to "This is a critical fix" vs. "The problem can be
worked around and it is too late to do adequate testing to be sure that
there are no hidden regressions". RE tends to always be on the conservative
side.
So, without knowing anything about these commits, it is unlikely that any
will be in 10.1. Whether RE is considering any, I have no idea, but odds
are that, unless they fix real serious issues, they will not be committed
to RELENG and will not be in 10.1. Also, the tree is stable/10, not
stable/10.1. It is only the string in uname that uses the RC-10.1 as that
is the name of the stable code at the time releng is branched. I think it
would minimize confusion if it was changed back to "stable" after
branching, but that raises the bikeshed of whether it would be 10.0-STABLE
or 10.1-STABLE until 10.1 is released. Now that the uname includes the
subversion revision number, I think it should just be tagged as 10-STABLE
as that is what it really is. There is no stable/10.1 in the tree, so why
do we tag the system with a name that does not exist? But that is just my
opinion.
--
R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer, Retired
E-mail: rkoberman at gmail.com
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