Bernd Walter ticso at cicely12.cicely.de
Thu Nov 1 05:44:30 PDT 2007

On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 02:30:45PM -0500, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 08:08:31PM +0100 I heard the voice of
> Bernd Walter, and lo! it spake thus:
> > 
> > I don't completly agree.
> > Many people forget that FreeBSD is used on slow embedded systems as
> > well and I prefer having manpoages there as well.
> Oh, I don't argue that there are cases where catpages are still
> useful.  But I think they're the exception, not the rule.  When you're
> setting up a tiny system (by whatever the standards of the given day
> are) or an appliance, you expect the tradeoffs to be rather different
> than on a normal (by said standards) general-purpose computer.

My point was against retirement, which was mentioned by Alex.
For me and many others slow systems are daily business.
For many others modern systems are daily business, but those shouldn't
think they are alone.
We have already to face many slowdowns over the last years, such as the
new rc.d system, which is painly slow on slow systems, but it has a
real win, so I never complained against rc.d as such and I can live
with it, since my systems rarely reboot.
In case of catman retirement I just don't see the win, only the negative
and just because many people don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Why do you expect me any tradeoff when there is nothing to trade?
Show me the positives that outweights the negatives and I'm on your side.

> Heck, looking at Soekris, everything above the 4501 class is probably
> faster than my laptop    8-}

Yes - but the 4501 is not the slowest system we support.
And - many people may be surprised - but the 4501 is extremly power
hungry compared to what we can do with ARM.
The difference between a 4501 and an at91rm9200 based system is nearly
a factor three, so there are valid reasons for such a system.
And the at91rm9200 is very compareable in speed when it comes to network
traffic, although it seems to be unexpected slow on some other points.

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