RELENG_5 problems with Intel 855 (RELENG_4 boots fine)

Gray Lilley gray at mistaken-identity.co.uk
Fri Apr 1 10:54:04 PST 2005


Can you try setting hw.pci.enable_io_modes=0 at the loader prompt then booting?

I've seen this same problem on a reasonable amount of machines now (mainly toshiba/acer laptops, but not only)

Regards,

Graham Lilley
Ibex Systems (Maidstone) Ltd

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-stable at freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable at freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tancsa
Sent: 01 April 2005 19:39
To: freebsd-stable at freebsd.org
Subject: RELENG_5 problems with Intel 855 (RELENG_4 boots fine)


We are trying out an Intel 855 that is not able to boot RELENG_5. It locks up hard (NUM LOCK doesnt work) on bootup at the same spot.  However,
RELENG_4 is able to boot just fine.

Copyright (c) 1992-2005 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
         The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 5.4-PRERELEASE #0: Fri Apr  1 09:06:22 EST 2005
     mdtancsa at nfs.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/nfs
ACPI APIC Table: <AOpen  AWRDACPI>
Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor         1500MHz (1500.06-MHz 686-class 
CPU)
   Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x695  Stepping = 5
   Features=0xa7e9fbbf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,TM,PBE>
real memory  = 531496960 (506 MB)
avail memory = 510435328 (486 MB)
ioapic0 <Version 2.0> irqs 0-23 on motherboard
npx0: <math processor> on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
acpi0: <AOpen AWRDACPI> on motherboard
acpi0: Power Button (fixed)
Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000
acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x4008-0x400b on acpi0
cpu0: <ACPI CPU (3 Cx states)> on acpi0
acpi_throttle0: <ACPI CPU Throttling> on cpu0
acpi_button0: <Power Button> on acpi0
acpi_button1: <Sleep Button> on acpi0
pcib0: <ACPI Host-PCI bridge> port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0
pci0: <ACPI PCI bus> on pcib0


and boot -v


/boot/kernel/acpi.ko text=0x41520 data=0x1da4+0x112c syms=[0x4+0x7630+0x4+0x9c97]
KDB: debugger backends: ddb
KDB: current backend: ddb
SMAP type=01 base=0000000000000000 len=000000000009f400 SMAP type=02 base=00000000000f0000 len=0000000000010000 SMAP type=02 base=00000000fec00000 len=0000000001400000 SMAP type=03 base=000000001fae3000 len=000000000000d000 SMAP type=04 base=000000001fae0000 len=0000000000003000 SMAP type=02 base=000000000009f400 len=0000000000000c00 SMAP type=02 base=000000001faf0000 len=0000000000010000 SMAP type=01 base=0000000000100000 len=000000001f9e0000 Copyright (c) 1992-2005 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
         The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 5.4-PRERELEASE #0: Fri Apr  1 09:06:22 EST 2005
     mdtancsa at nfs.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/nfs
Preloaded elf kernel "/boot/kernel/kernel" at 0xc0857000.
Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/usb.ko" at 0xc085721c.
Preloaded elf module "/boot/modules/arcmsr.ko" at 0xc08572c4.
Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/acpi.ko" at 0xc0857370.
Table 'FACP' at 0x1fae30c0
Table 'APIC' at 0x1fae6d40
MADT: Found table at 0x1fae6d40
MP Configuration Table version 1.4 found at 0xc00f0c00
APIC: Using the MADT enumerator.
MADT: Found CPU APIC ID 0 ACPI ID 0: enabled ACPI APIC Table: <AOpen  AWRDACPI> Calibrating clock(s) ... i8254 clock: 1193068 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Calibrating TSC clock ... TSC clock: 1500060146 Hz
CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor         1500MHz (1500.06-MHz 686-class 
CPU)
   Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x695  Stepping = 5
   Features=0xa7e9fbbf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,TM,PBE>
real memory  = 531496960 (506 MB)
Physical memory chunk(s):
0x0000000000001000 - 0x000000000009efff, 647168 bytes (158 pages) 0x0000000000100000 - 0x00000000003fffff, 3145728 bytes (768 pages) 0x0000000000c25000 - 0x000000001f1c6fff, 509222912 bytes (124322 pages) avail memory = 510435328 (486 MB)
bios32: Found BIOS32 Service Directory header at 0xc00faf00
bios32: Entry = 0xfb380 (c00fb380)  Rev = 0  Len = 1
pcibios: PCI BIOS entry at 0xf0000+0xb3b0
pnpbios: Found PnP BIOS data at 0xc00fbd70
pnpbios: Entry = f0000:bda0  Rev = 1.0
Other BIOS signatures found:
APIC: CPU 0 has ACPI ID 0
MADT: Found IO APIC ID 2, Interrupt 0 at 0xfec00000
ioapic0: Routing external 8259A's -> intpin 0
ioapic0: intpin 0 -> ExtINT (edge, high)
ioapic0: intpin 1 -> ISA IRQ 1 (edge, high)
ioapic0: intpin 2 -> ISA IRQ 2 (edge, high)
ioapic0: intpin 3 -> ISA IRQ 3 (edge, high)
ioapic0: intpin 4 -> ISA IRQ 4 (edge, high)
ioapic0: intpin 5 -> ISA IRQ 5 (edge, high)
ioapic0: intpin 6 -> ISA IRQ 6 (edge, high)
ioapic0: intpin 7 -> ISA IRQ 7 (edge, high)
ioapic0: intpin 8 -> ISA IRQ 8 (edge, high)
ioapic0: intpin 9 -> ISA IRQ 9 (edge, high)
ioapic0: intpin 10 -> ISA IRQ 10 (edge, high)
ioapic0: intpin 11 -> ISA IRQ 11 (edge, high)
ioapic0: intpin 12 -> ISA IRQ 12 (edge, high)
ioapic0: intpin 13 -> ISA IRQ 13 (edge, high)
ioapic0: intpin 14 -> ISA IRQ 14 (edge, high)
ioapic0: intpin 15 -> ISA IRQ 15 (edge, high)
ioapic0: intpin 16 -> PCI IRQ 16 (level, low)
ioapic0: intpin 17 -> PCI IRQ 17 (level, low)
ioapic0: intpin 18 -> PCI IRQ 18 (level, low)
ioapic0: intpin 19 -> PCI IRQ 19 (level, low)
ioapic0: intpin 20 -> PCI IRQ 20 (level, low)
ioapic0: intpin 21 -> PCI IRQ 21 (level, low)
ioapic0: intpin 22 -> PCI IRQ 22 (level, low)
ioapic0: intpin 23 -> PCI IRQ 23 (level, low)
MADT: Interrupt override: source 0, irq 2
ioapic0: Routing IRQ 0 -> intpin 2
ioapic0: intpin 2 trigger: edge
ioapic0: intpin 2 polarity: high
MADT: Interrupt override: source 9, irq 9
ioapic0: intpin 9 trigger: level
ioapic0: intpin 9 polarity: high
lapic0: Routing NMI -> LINT1
lapic0: LINT1 trigger: edge
lapic0: LINT1 polarity: active-high
ioapic0 <Version 2.0> irqs 0-23 on motherboard cpu0 BSP:
      ID: 0x00000000   VER: 0x00050014 LDR: 0x01000000 DFR: 0x0fffffff
   lint0: 0x00010700 lint1: 0x00000400 TPR: 0x00000000 SVR: 0x000001ff
wlan: <802.11 Link Layer>
null: <null device, zero device>
io: <I/O>
random: <entropy source, Software, Yarrow>
mem: <memory>
Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
npx0: [FAST]
npx0: <math processor> on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
acpi0: <AOpen AWRDACPI> on motherboard
acpi0: [MPSAFE]
pci_open(1):    mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x80000058
pci_open(1a):   mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000)
pci_cfgcheck:   device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=80] is there (id=35808086)
pcibios: BIOS version 2.10
Found $PIR table, 13 entries at 0xc00fde90 PCI-Only Interrupts: 5 7 10 11 12 Location  Bus Device Pin  Link  IRQs
slot 1      2    8    A   0x68  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 1      2    8    B   0x69  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 1      2    8    C   0x6a  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 1      2    8    D   0x6b  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 2      2    4    A   0x60  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 2      2    4    B   0x61  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 2      2    4    C   0x62  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 2      2    4    D   0x63  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 3      2    5    A   0x61  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 3      2    5    B   0x62  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 3      2    5    C   0x63  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 3      2    5    D   0x60  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 4      2    6    A   0x62  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 4      2    6    B   0x63  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 4      2    6    C   0x60  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 4      2    6    D   0x61  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 5      2    0    A   0x68  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 5      2    0    B   0x69  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 5      2    0    C   0x6a  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 5      2    0    D   0x6b  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 6      2    1    A   0x69  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 6      2    1    B   0x6a  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 6      2    1    C   0x6b  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 6      2    1    D   0x68  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 7      2    2    A   0x6a  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 7      2    2    B   0x6b  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 7      2    2    C   0x68  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 7      2    2    D   0x69  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 8      2    3    A   0x6b  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 8      2    3    B   0x68  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 8      2    3    C   0x69  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
slot 8      2    3    D   0x6a  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0   30    A   0x60  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0   30    B   0x61  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0   30    C   0x62  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0   30    D   0x63  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0    2    A   0x60  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0    2    B   0x60  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0    2    C   0x60  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0    2    D   0x60  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0   31    A   0x62  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0   31    B   0x61  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0   31    C   0x60  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0   31    D   0x63  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0    1    A   0x60  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0    1    B   0x61  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0    1    C   0x62  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0    1    D   0x63  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0   29    A   0x60  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0   29    B   0x63  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0   29    C   0x62  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
embedded    0   29    D   0x6b  3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 14 15
AcpiOsDerivePciId: bus 0 dev 31 func 0
AcpiOsDerivePciId: bus 0 dev 31 func 0
acpi0: Power Button (fixed)
ACPI timer: 1/1 1/1 1/1 1/1 1/1 1/1 1/1 1/1 1/1 1/1 -> 10 Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000
acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x4008-0x400b on acpi0
unknown: not probed (disabled)
cpu0: <ACPI CPU (3 Cx states)> on acpi0
acpi_throttle0: <ACPI CPU Throttling> on cpu0
acpi_throttle0: P_CNT from P_BLK 0x4010
acpi_button0: <Power Button> on acpi0
acpi_button1: <Sleep Button> on acpi0
pcib0: <ACPI Host-PCI bridge> port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 ACPI PCI link initial configuration:
pci0: <ACPI PCI bus> on pcib0
pci0: physical bus=0
         map[10]: type 3, range 32, base e8000000, size 26, enabled
found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x3580, revid=0x02
         bus=0, slot=0, func=0
         class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1
         cmdreg=0x0006, statreg=0x2090, cachelnsz=0 (dwords)
         lattimer=0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns)
found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x3584, revid=0x02
         bus=0, slot=0, func=1
         class=08-80-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
         cmdreg=0x0006, statreg=0x0080, cachelnsz=0 (dwords)
         lattimer=0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns)
found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x3585, revid=0x02
         bus=0, slot=0, func=3
         class=08-80-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1
         cmdreg=0x0006, statreg=0x0080, cachelnsz=0 (dwords)
         lattimer=0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns)
found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x3581, revid=0x02
         bus=0, slot=1, func=0
         class=06-04-00, hdrtype=0x01, mfdev=0
         cmdreg=0x0107, statreg=0x00a0, cachelnsz=0 (dwords)
         lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns)
         map[10]: type 3, range 32, base e0000000, size 27, enabled
         map[14]: type 1, range 32, base ed000000, size 19, enabled
         map[18]: type 4, range 32, base 0000e300, size  3, enabled
pcib0: matched entry for 0.2.INTA
pcib0: slot 2 INTA hardwired to IRQ 16
found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x3582, revid=0x02
         bus=0, slot=2, func=0
         class=03-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1
         cmdreg=0x0007, statreg=0x0090, cachelnsz=0 (dwords)
         lattimer=0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns)
         intpin=a, irq=16
         powerspec 1  supports D0 D1 D3  current D0
         map[10]: type 3, range 32, base 00000000, size 27, memory disabled




But RELENG_4 works fine.  I think its getting hung up on the onboard NICs, not sure. However, I can load them as a KLD.  If I disable the NICs in the BIOS, it still hangs on the same location


FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE #1: Fri Nov 12 10:17:46 EST 2004
     mdtancsa at stationtest.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/gas
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "TSC"  frequency 1500059328 Hz
CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor         1500MHz (1500.06-MHz 686-class 
CPU)
   Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x695  Stepping = 5
   Features=0xa7e9fbbf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,TM,PBE>
real memory  = 531496960 (519040K bytes)
config> q
avail memory = 513236992 (501208K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc03d5000.
Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc03d509c.
Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
md0: Malloc disk
Using $PIR table, 13 entries at 0xc00fde90
npx0: <math processor> on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
pcib0: <Host to PCI bridge> on motherboard
pci0: <PCI bus> on pcib0
agp0: <Intel Generic host to PCI bridge> mem 0xe8000000-0xebffffff at device 0.0 on pci0
pci0: <unknown card> (vendor=0x8086, dev=0x3584) at 0.1
pci0: <unknown card> (vendor=0x8086, dev=0x3585) at 0.3
pcib1: <PCI to PCI bridge (vendor=8086 device=3581)> at device 1.0 on pci0
pci1: <PCI bus> on pcib1
agp1: <Intel 82855GME (855GME GMCH) SVGA controller> port 0xe300-0xe307 mem 0xec100000-0xec17ffff,0xe0000000-0xe7ffffff irq 10 at device 2.0 on pci0
agp1: detected 3964k stolen memory
agp1: aperture size is 128M
pci0: <unknown card> (vendor=0x8086, dev=0x3582) at 2.1
uhci0: <Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-A> port 0xe000-0xe01f irq 10 at device 29.0 on pci0
usb0: <Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-A> on uhci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci1: <Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-B> port 0xe100-0xe11f irq 9 at device 29.1 on pci0
usb1: <Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-B> on uhci1
usb1: USB revision 1.0
uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci2: <Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-C> port 0xe200-0xe21f irq 7 at device 29.2 on pci0
usb2: <Intel 82801DB (ICH4) USB controller USB-C> on uhci2
usb2: USB revision 1.0
uhub2: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
pci0: <USB controller> at 29.7 irq 5
pcib2: <PCI to PCI bridge (vendor=8086 device=2448)> at device 30.0 on pci0
pci2: <PCI bus> on pcib2
pci2: <unknown card> (vendor=0x11ab, dev=0x4320) at 0.0 irq 11
pci2: <unknown card> (vendor=0x11ab, dev=0x4320) at 1.0 irq 15
isab0: <PCI to ISA bridge (vendor=8086 device=24cc)> at device 31.0 on pci0
isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0
atapci0: <Intel ICH4 ATA100 controller> port
0xf000-0xf00f,0-0x3,0-0x7,0-0x3,0-0x7 irq 0 at device 31.1 on pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
ichsmb0: <Intel 82801DC (ICH4) SMBus controller> port 0x5000-0x501f irq 12 at device 31.3 on pci0
smbus0: <System Management Bus> on ichsmb0
smb0: <SMBus general purpose I/O> on smbus0
pci0: <unknown card> (vendor=0x8086, dev=0x24c5) at 31.5 irq 12
orm0: <Option ROMs> at iomem 0xd0000-0xd0fff,0xd1000-0xd1fff on isa0 pmtimer0 on isa0
fdc0: <NEC 72065B or clone> at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
atkbdc0: <Keyboard controller (i8042)> at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0
atkbd0: <AT Keyboard> flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0
vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
sc0: <System console> at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
sio0: type 16550A
sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0
sio1: type 16550A
ipfw2 initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to accept, logging limited to 100 packets/entry by default
IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing.
ad0: 38166MB <ST340014A> [77545/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100 Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a

and if I do a kld load.

skc0: <Marvell Gigabit Ethernet> port 0xd000-0xd0ff mem 0xec040000-0xec043fff irq 11 at device 0.0 on pci2
skc0: Yukon Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000Base-T Adapter
skc1: <Marvell Gigabit Ethernet> port 0xd100-0xd1ff mem 0xec044000-0xec047fff irq 15 at device 1.0 on pci2
skc1: Yukon Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000Base-T Adapter
sk0: <Marvell Semiconductor, Inc. Yukon> on skc0
sk0: Ethernet address: 00:01:80:5c:0c:cd
sk1: <Marvell Semiconductor, Inc. Yukon> on skc1
sk1: Ethernet address: 00:01:80:5c:0c:cc
miibus0: <MII bus> on sk0
e1000phy0: <Marvell Semiconductor 88E1000* gigabit PHY> on miibus0
e1000phy0:  1000baseTX-FDX, 100baseTX-FDX, 100baseTX, 10baseTX-FDX, 10baseTX, auto
miibus1: <MII bus> on sk1
e1000phy1: <Marvell Semiconductor 88E1000* gigabit PHY> on miibus1
e1000phy1:  1000baseTX-FDX, 100baseTX-FDX, 100baseTX, 10baseTX-FDX, 10baseTX, auto


Disabling ACPI doesnt make a difference either.







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