Claws Mail (was: What the hell starts pulseaudio?!)

[Mario Lobo]

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:28 Ralf Mardorf <ralf-mardorf at riseup.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 20:20 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 17:07 +0000, Roderick wrote:
> > > On Sun, 18 Jul 2021, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> > Note, I forwarded this quote from Paul, a Claws developer...
> >
> > > > I'm not understanding what this "CLIENT ID" is that you are talking
> > > > about, if it is not OAuth2. But OAuth2 is not automatic in
> claws-mail,
> > > > and it is not (currently?) necessary for connecting to gmail servers.
> > >
> > > There is some pressure from google. One must continuously enable
> > > "less secure apps", otherwise OAuth2 is the only alternative.
> >
> > ...and the Claws developer knows all this, but there's a lot of
> > confusion by users.
> >
> > The reason that I described how it works for Yahoo is, to explain users
> > (not the developer), that the passwords by the well known Claws settings
> > get replaced by passwords, that were generated by the Yahoo
> > Webinterface. Nothing does change when using Claws, just the password is
> > generated by Yahoo. There is nothing "two" things whatsoever. It's all
> > the same password usage as before, just that Yahoo generates the
> > password for each external mail client accessing a Yahoo account, as
> > described by
> >
> https://uk.help.yahoo.com/kb/new-mail-for-desktop/learn-generate-third-party-passwords-sln15241.html
> > . Old passwords don't work anymore, there was the need to replace the
> > old passwords, by those new generated passwords. For Google it's
> > probably the same.
>
> PS: "Use this app password and your email address to sign in to your
> email app." This claim from Yahoo is confusing, since complete bogus.
> The password and the email address are used by the email client to
> access the Yahoo servers. Nobody of us needs to sign in with it to use
> our email clIent
>

This is all really confusing to me.