Goodbye

[David Raver]

On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 11:00 PM Simon Hoffmann <freebsd at simonhoffmann.net>
wrote:

> One last mail and I promise to never bother you again.
>
> Did you just one day fall out of bed and knew how to use Linux perfectly?
>

Nope. It was like that:

1. The installation went perfectly. Meaning: after the installation the
desktop showed up. I would've settled for shell and one command, say
"install desktop", even if it didn't. Show up in the first try, that is. I
wouldn't have settled for an equivalent of typing what should've been put
into a shell script anyhow.
2. I was able to start using it, learning little by little without reading
books about it.


> Are you able to use all different Linuxes to the same degree and know
> everything
>

No, not to the same degree. But I'm pretty sure the procedure would've been
pretty similar to the one I described above.


> there is to know? So are you a master/doctorate in Debian, Suse, RHEL,
> Fedora, ... to
> use your words?
>

Not by a long shot. I never claimed that. I'm merely a lowly developper,
like I also described. But... I'm used to a certain set of tools and
behaviours.


> Oh, and you also spoke about Windows. So I guess you are also a Microsoft
> MVP?
>

No. But somewhat similar tools I mentioned above are available on Windows
also. So I don't complain too much. I'll also concede that most of the
ifdefs in my project are due to Windows functionality. But I managed that
also.


> Because you cannot tell me that a Linux install, whatever the distro, has
> everything
> set up exactly the way you want it to be out of the box and automatically.
>

I never claimed that. Moreover, if you're still prepared to listen...

I'm pretty sure that if I had a desktop (preferably KDE) set up on any of
the BSDs, I most probably wouldn't even had known the difference between
that and my current Linux. Because that was my aim in the first place:
merely verify that my project builds and runs on BSD. Moreover, I'm pretty
sure that someday I'll do it. Successfully. I just have to cool down a
little and find a distribution that meets my needs.

D.


>
>
>
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> ---
>
> Simon
>
>
> > On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 3:17 PM Simon Hoffmann <
> freebsd at simonhoffmann.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Which commands did you use?
> > >
> >
> > Can't remember anymore. They went out of my head along with the steam
> > blowing out of my ears.
> >
> >
> > > All of this is listed with detailed explanations. I was able to perform
> > > the update on
> > > first try without any problems.
> > >
> >
> > Lucky you.
> >
> >
> > > Time: 5 min.
> > >
> >
> > You must be the one with the doctorate of General (or is it Special?)
> > BSDvity Theory then.
> >
> >
> > > su says sorry if your user is not in wheel.
> > >
> > > Sounds to me like you were in Live CD mode?
> > >
> >
> > Sounds like your hearing must be impeccable.
> >
> >
> > > > Google helped again: in order to do that one must choose option 2
> while
> > >
> > > Quick question: you are aware of the very detailed FreeBSD Handbook
> that
> > > answers
> > > pretty much every question?
> > >
> >
> > I am, yes. I just don't like the idea that in order to do some little
> thing
> > one must read it in its entirety.
> >
> >
> > > Please take a look at https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/
> > >
> >
> > No thanks. Also, your hearing must be somewhat less than perfect in this
> > case. Let me repeat myself (for the tenth time): reading extensive
> > handbooks to solve something that should've been solved automatically is
> > not my favourite thing in the world.
> >
> >
> > > > booting. Fsck!?! Obviously one must have a BSD degree to use a
> computer.
> > >
> > > No, one must read the manual. BSD is not Linux.
> > >
> >
> > OK, for the eleventh time: you know the drill by now
> >
> >
> > > > OK, after a restart (and successful su) I googled about installing a
> GUI
> > > > (KDE to be exact). Being unpleasantly surprised that, instead of a
> > > > oneliner, one has to buy a new keyboard with an extended life
> expectancy
> > > in
> > > > order to type an equivalent of Tolstoy's War and Peace.
> > > > Man, how hard is it to put something in a shell script?!?
> > >
> > > Again, the Handbook is your best friend.
> > > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/x11/
> > >
> >
> > Note to self: man, some people choose to turn the blind eye even if you
> > practically stick it to them.
> >
> >
> > > You even have two ways of installing! Using pre-configured and
> > > pre-compiled binaries
> > > that can be installed via pkg add, or using ports to configure and
> build
> > > yourself, to
> > > fulfill all your needs. Such wow!
> > >
> > > In a nutshell:
> > >
> > > pkg install xorg
> > > pw groupmod video -m <user>
> > > pkg install urwfonts
> > > pkg install x11/sddm
> > > echo dbus_enable="YES" >> /etc/rc.conf
> > > echo proc           /proc       procfs  rw  0   0 >> /etc/fstab
> > > echo sddm_enable="YES" >> /etc/rc.conf
> > >
> >
> > Nope, that's not what the handbook says. It's definitely more than seven.
> > Quite a bit more. Moreover, if one makes one little spelling mix-stake,
> > that could be your excuse for why the whole thing failed. I'm not into
> > that. It has to be failsafe.
> >
> >
> > > I don't know about you, but I count 7 lines of commands, which you can
> > > basically
> > > copy-paste. I don't know what type of keyboard you have, but mine can
> > > handle a few
> > > keystrokes.
> > >
> >
> > Mine handles "del BSD" (8 chars, incl. enter) pretty well.
> >
> >
> > > Took me about 5 minutes aswell.
> > >
> >
> > Took me about two seconds. Incl. handling the "Are you sure?" question.
> >
> >
> > > You know, you could always ask politely to get help...
> > >
> >
> > As polite as possible: HELP!
> > Then again, it would be useless now. The del I mentioned above took care
> of
> > that.
> >
> >
> > > Again, the Handbook is your friend.
> > >
> >
> > Oh, man, I will not even bother anymore.
> >
> > D.
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>
>
> Viele Grüße
> Simon Hoffmann
>