David Raver david.raver at
Sun Jul 11 13:52:40 UTC 2021

On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 3:17 PM Simon Hoffmann <freebsd at>

> Which commands did you use?

Can't remember anymore. They went out of my head along with the steam
blowing out of my ears.

> All of this is listed with detailed explanations. I was able to perform
> the update on
> first try without any problems.

Lucky you.

> Time: 5 min.

You must be the one with the doctorate of General (or is it Special?)
BSDvity Theory then.

> su says sorry if your user is not in wheel.
> Sounds to me like you were in Live CD mode?

Sounds like your hearing must be impeccable.

> > Google helped again: in order to do that one must choose option 2 while
> Quick question: you are aware of the very detailed FreeBSD Handbook that
> answers
> pretty much every question?

I am, yes. I just don't like the idea that in order to do some little thing
one must read it in its entirety.

> Please take a look at

No thanks. Also, your hearing must be somewhat less than perfect in this
case. Let me repeat myself (for the tenth time): reading extensive
handbooks to solve something that should've been solved automatically is
not my favourite thing in the world.

> > booting. Fsck!?! Obviously one must have a BSD degree to use a computer.
> No, one must read the manual. BSD is not Linux.

OK, for the eleventh time: you know the drill by now

> > OK, after a restart (and successful su) I googled about installing a GUI
> > (KDE to be exact). Being unpleasantly surprised that, instead of a
> > oneliner, one has to buy a new keyboard with an extended life expectancy
> in
> > order to type an equivalent of Tolstoy's War and Peace.
> > Man, how hard is it to put something in a shell script?!?
> Again, the Handbook is your best friend.

Note to self: man, some people choose to turn the blind eye even if you
practically stick it to them.

> You even have two ways of installing! Using pre-configured and
> pre-compiled binaries
> that can be installed via pkg add, or using ports to configure and build
> yourself, to
> fulfill all your needs. Such wow!
> In a nutshell:
> pkg install xorg
> pw groupmod video -m <user>
> pkg install urwfonts
> pkg install x11/sddm
> echo dbus_enable="YES" >> /etc/rc.conf
> echo proc           /proc       procfs  rw  0   0 >> /etc/fstab
> echo sddm_enable="YES" >> /etc/rc.conf

Nope, that's not what the handbook says. It's definitely more than seven.
Quite a bit more. Moreover, if one makes one little spelling mix-stake,
that could be your excuse for why the whole thing failed. I'm not into
that. It has to be failsafe.

> I don't know about you, but I count 7 lines of commands, which you can
> basically
> copy-paste. I don't know what type of keyboard you have, but mine can
> handle a few
> keystrokes.

Mine handles "del BSD" (8 chars, incl. enter) pretty well.

> Took me about 5 minutes aswell.

Took me about two seconds. Incl. handling the "Are you sure?" question.

> You know, you could always ask politely to get help...

As polite as possible: HELP!
Then again, it would be useless now. The del I mentioned above took care of

> Again, the Handbook is your friend.

Oh, man, I will not even bother anymore.


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