Totally OT comment: Re: Somewhat OT: Mail Relay Services

Valeri Galtsev galtsev at
Sun Feb 28 18:37:40 UTC 2021

> On Feb 28, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Tim Daneliuk <tundra at> wrote:
> For many years, I've run a mail system built on FreeBSD for my own small business.
> It's been as flawless as any mail server ever can be, requiring only periodic
> maintenance and updates.
> The primary server runs in a 3rd party cloud environment.  We are starting to
> see parts of their network blacklisted by the various UCE blackholing services.
> Unfortunately, they don't just blackhole a single IP, but an entire subnet at
> a time, which catches us in the mix.
> The big mail hubs like no longer have a mechanism for removing the block
> for a single ip and kick you back to your ISP or hosting provider for resolution.

Totally OT comment:

For quite some time already I have a feeling that big boys - gmail/google; microsoft/outlook/office365/hotmail; yahoo… - effectively jacked “small time” sysadmins out of providing email service. Tim’s description shows one mechanism of it.


> So ... we are contemplating using a smart host to do all our outbound email for us
> via relays from our own mail servers.  Presumably, such a smart host would be better
> equipped to deal with bad blacklisting and delivery issues.
> So ... does anyone have experience or recommendations as to who would be a good
> provider for a low volume, small business mail relay?
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