OT: proof that Linux is brain damaged

Valeri Galtsev galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu
Fri Sep 4 16:26:41 UTC 2020

On 2020-09-04 11:21, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 12:13 PM Valeri Galtsev 
> <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu <mailto:galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu>> wrote:
>     On 2020-09-04 11:12, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>      > On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 10:48:11 -0400, Vlad D. Markov wrote:
>      >> When criticizing systemd, I think the criticism should be
>     directed at
>      >> the distributions forcing its use. Linux doesn't have much to do
>     with
>      >> it.
>      >
>      > Apart from the embedded systems you described, it's probably not wise
>      > if a Linux distro diverts from using systemd, since systemd is quasi
>      > the standard init system and it's bundled with at least udev.
>      > Maintaining a different init system, while maintaining udev or
>      > something else from systemd, for usage without systemd, seems to
>     me way
>      > to much effort, even when being in favour of Linux. However, if
>      > somebody is really that tired of Linux, as the OP is, I wouldn't care
>      > about Linux at all, especially not since the OP doesn't need to
>     search
>      > for an operating system that fits to his needs. He already seems
>     to be
>      > satisfied with FreeBSD, so there's no problem at all.
>     My sentiment exactly.
> Except for one problem if you use FreeBSD as a desktop you're forced to 
> deal with the systemd stupidity because Xorg (and wayland) refuse to 
> believe that the entire universe does not use their prefered brain dead 
> OS. 

My workstation and my laptop both run FreeBSD, win XWindow, Mate Desktop 
Environment. For multiple yeas, and I do not have any problems.

But I refuse to participate further in this thread for the reason I 
stated earlier in this same thread.


>  So it is not academic if you are using FreeBSD for more than just 
> a server.  Even then unless you want to use plain vanilla Apache then 
> you are forced to deal with it to some degree for example even though 
> the Java team for FreeBSD has done a good job removing it as much as 
> possible from openjdk there is still some weirdness there.   VirtualBox 
> has not been able to successfully compile anything newer than 5.X 
> because of the same problems.
> So saying "if you like FreeBSD and hate systemd/linux then use FreeBSD" 
> is not really an option due to the viral nature of systemd and the 
> laziness of developers who use it.
> TL;dr -- Due to many reasons just ignoring the problem because your on 
> FreeBSD is not an answer
> -- 
> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org

Valeri Galtsev
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Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
University of Chicago
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