mailman 3 on FreeBSD- or mailman replacement?
freebsd at gregv.net
Wed May 13 15:58:52 UTC 2020
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 09:48:38AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> Dear All,
> I'm sure I'm not the only one who runs mailman on FreeBSD servers. Now
> that python 2.7 is about to go, mailman 2 will follow. There is mailman
> 3 that is based on python 3. There is, however, no mailman 3 port. I
> wonder if someone already asked mailman port maintainer about mailman 3.
> I do not like to bother busy person(s) if someone already did.
I was typing a reply to this when I saw Matthew's note come in,
I can't add anything to what he said so I won't try. ;-)
> I kept repeating to people I work for who start using python as
> significant part of their work environment: Python is a sneaky snake.
> Namely, python paces fast with changing internals version to version
> (meaning minor versions here, not only major one). Thus, variety of
> modules one starts using have to keep up, but some may lag behind, then
> one may get stuck to older version of something, forcing older version
> of everything. Not to mention this whole thing being update nightmare.
One could say the same thing of virtually any software written
in virtually any language.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_rot. It's a real
Though to be fair to Python, I also run several sites based on
the Django web framework, including some that are fairly complex,
utilize a lot of packages for Django, and have significant local
development efforts invested. In the Python3 line, I've not yet
had a version upgrade that was anything more than a drop-in
replacement. The major issue between Python2 and Python3 is
they changed the way strings are represented internally, and it
turns out that's a fairly important change for a software package
that processes email messages all day...
> This all leads me to my second question: maybe it is time to replace
> mailman with some other maillist suite. If someone already made this
> decision, could you share the reasons, and your new choice:
I said this in the other thread the Matthew mentioned, but if
I had to switch off of Mailman to something else, in my mind
Sympa looks like the best option currently available, based on
my own personal criteria (which I won't get into here).
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