Minimal skills

Donald Wilde dwilde1 at gmail.com
Sun Jun 7 18:48:54 UTC 2020


On 6/7/20, Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 1:46 PM Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 6, 2020, at 8:17 PM, Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 5:06 AM Vincent DEFERT <20.100 at defert.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> My advice: NEVER, ever, learn Java, for if you do, you'll never want
>> >> to
>> >> use another language and that could be a handicap in a new developer's
>> >> career.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I switched 10 years ago to Java after 15 years of C/C++ (and an odd
>> > assortment of other languages) and certainly agree with the idea of not
>> > wanting to use another language.     Think of Java as the family SUV,
>> > not
>> > particularly fast and nimble when you need high performance or very low
>> > level work but what is it good for nothing is better (rock solid code
>> that
>> > doesn't require the above).   That being said you should learn it but
>> learn
>> > it with other languages.
>> >
>>
>> To the OP:
>>
>> As someone already said in this thread: Java is proprietary, and Oracle
>> who bought out Sun Microsystems (the creator of Java) started charging
>> money end users of applications written in Java.
>>
>>
> Where on Earth did you get the idea that Oracle charges/gets royalties for
> 3rd application in Java!?!?!??!?!? I have *NEVER* paid a dime for any
> application and/or anything else written in Java (nor is there any language
> in the legal material that comes with the language and/or any of the tools
> that would even allow for a royalty)... the language spec is completely
> open and anyone can write a compiler or a JVM (all the specs are completely
> available)..... IBM has made one so have a few other people including GNU.
>
You can use java 8 for your own purposes but Oracle's license
agreement on their website clearly states that only up until Java 7 is
it truly free. :-( This change occurred several years ago now.

I don't have time to get the citation to support Valeri's assertion,
but it is true.
-- 
Don Wilde
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