thunderbird in German?

Polytropon freebsd at
Sat Aug 3 02:00:18 UTC 2019

On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 21:44:15 +0200, hw wrote:
> Polytropon <freebsd at> writes:
> > On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 00:57:12 +0200, hw wrote:
> >> Polytropon <freebsd at> writes:
> > [...]
> >> Changing Firefox wasn't a problem, other than that I wish I could do
> >> that site-wide for all users rather than having to do it for each user.
> >> Why don't these programs just honor the language settings of the
> >> environment?
> >
> > Yes, that is really a problem, because so many other programs do
> > it the right way; even temporary invocation in a different language
> > is not a problem for "old" programs. For example, if you set a
> > system-wide variable that applies to all users, that language
> > variable should be honored. I see multi-language support as a
> > great feature especially in FreeBSD, where I can use programs
> > in the language I prefer, and that might be vary among the
> > programs running in one session (for example, Sylpheed uses the
> > english language, while LibreOffice uses the german one).
> Libreoffice seems to be bad as well because you have to go into the
> settings and change it before you get the language you have already set.

I don't remember that I did something like that. Maybe because
I installed "de-libreoffice" explicitely?

> I usually don't notice whether it's English or German, but the users
> will freak out as if it would make a difference (which it doesn't
> because they don't know what they're doing anyway).

Same here. I prefer the english interface language because the
german translation often is incomplete (english menu items among
german ones) or wrong or missing (especially regarding error
messages). The only programs I really _want_ to be in German
are LibreOffice and Firefox (for reference).

> This kinda reminds me of Gnome with which it is impossible to even add a
> program starter.

Oh, don't get me started with my hate-journey across Gnome. While
Gnome first was superior to KDE language-wise, it later became
more and more complicated: Not reading .xinitrc or .xsession, so
forcing you to manually add "autostart programs", and mount/umount
(and eject for optical units) didn't work at all, even though I
followed the existing documentation, but finally I had to hack
the umount binary (!)... And GDM's inability to launch anything
than a Gnome session, and then came Gnome 3 which was so unusable
that I switched the systems that ran Gnome for many years to Mate.
That's the end of my personal Gnome story. :-)

> It's already entirely useless because it doesn't even
> have a usable window manager, but who would expect that you can't do
> something basic like adding a start button or a menu entry.  I had to
> switch a machine ever to KDE because of that.

Would you say KDE is usable again for "german novice users"?
I haven't tried KDE for some time because of bloat...

> There's just nothing better than fvwm ...

On my laptop I'm using IceWM (with "metal2" style which finally
includes a BSD start button, but at the top, where it belongs to)
again, combined with wbar and a Mac background image for a "good
look". ;-)

On my home system, I found nothing better than a highly customized
WIndowMaker with xdm.

Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...

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