[Getting really off topic]: borderline OT fireox question

Valeri Galtsev galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu
Fri Jul 15 18:14:29 UTC 2016

On Fri, July 15, 2016 12:49 pm, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:03:26 -0500 (CDT), Valeri Galtsev wrote:
>>On Fri, July 15, 2016 11:54 am, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions
>>> Safe browsing requires to check every URL you visit, with the Google
>>> data base. Google knows the IP, the window size, the Firefox version
>>> etc., the sites you vist. With all the other data they own,
>>> they could
>>> identify you by name, but they are not interested in doing it.
>>Says who?
> This perhaps become to off-topic for this mailing list. The assumption
> roughly speaking is, that nowadays the interest of Google is money, not
> a pogrom or something similar.

True, but it also is known that largest and easiest money is that of the
taxpayer (received through the government). And again, which is the best
way of startup? Through getting unaccountable grant from one of
unaccountable agencies. And how and why would you create excellent free
services (mail, documents, file sharing,...)? Free for users, yes, but
someone has to pay for these once the company is in it for money? (or it
is in it for something else? what then would be that?) Doesn't take much
effort to figure out who would pay for these free services, right? In the
past you needed to recruit and pay big money to spies. These days you
don't: just roll out free services and information will float to you: you
only need huge storage, excellent analyzing computational facility, and
you get much more and much cheaper actually.

But you are right: we better don't get it started...

> More likely than misuse of data
> regarding e.g. racism, nowadays is misuse e.g. regarding health
> insurance funds and this not especially regarding individuals, but
> regarding in what area of your home town most sportsman and in what
> area most smokers are living. In Germany mail order business already
> cared about areas were many people who are insolvent lived, before we
> had the Internet. So you perhaps were credible, but most of your
> neighbours perhaps were not, if so they didn't sell you products.
> Germany perhaps had the best data protection that time, but anyway
> statistics already were misused.
>>I don't do anything illegal, but I do know that all governments who
>>were able to collect information about individuals, did so. And what
>>these governments eventually did is well known as well (Stalin Russia,
>>Hitler Germany,... and the list goes on).
>>The most depressing lesson of history is that people never learn
>>lessons of history ;-(
>>> What
>>> they are interested in, is data of your area, of the major group
>>> living in your area, for political and market-based manipulation.
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Valeri Galtsev
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Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
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