Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

Chad Perrin perrin at
Mon Jun 11 16:11:13 UTC 2012

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 07:23:20AM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> It is fairly easy to understand both sides in this discussion. When
> Microsoft supporters refer to open-source software as "open-sore" or
> "socialist-software" the FOSS community becomes enraged. However, when
> the open-source community retaliates it is considered acceptable. Quite
> frankly I read far more Microsoft based forums than open-source based
> ones and I can say without a doubt, at least in my experience,
> Microsoft proponents never attack open-source with the venomous hatred
> that open-source attacks Microsoft. In fact, the majority of Microsoft
> users that I know could not care less about what they consider an
> overly burdensome (geeky) open-source operating system.
> The whole argument can probably be boiled do to this:
> Disparaging other operating systems (Microsoft) and pointing out its
> failures is beneficial, constructive and therapeutic. Pointing out
> problems and failures regarding your own OS is destructive and flame
> bait.

Perhaps you're spending too much time in the community venues of open
source software projects.  In communities devoted to use of software
peddled by Microsoft, the reverse would be true, and this seems to me not
the least bit surprising, or even particularly inappropriate.  When you
stroll into a venue where it can reasonably be assumed there is a general
consensus position of favoring one thing over another (such as a sports
bar in Colorado, which would likely favor the Broncos over the Raiders),
then start loudly proclaiming the evils of the favored thing relative to
the unfavored (such as talking about how much better the Raiders are than
the Broncos, and how the Broncos fans are all a bunch of pansy whiners,
as you tend to do about open source software users and advocates while
you're hanging out here on a FreeBSD mailing list), what you are
contributing to the discussion may quite understandably be called
"flamebait".  Expressing surprise that someone would apply such a label
in these circumstances is, in my estimation, at least disingenuous if not
wholly ludicrous, directly deceptive, and/or frankly dumb.

I, for one, generally try to avoid saying nonfactually disparaging things
about Microsoft or (especially) users of software peddled by Microsoft in
venues like this mailing list, in part because it's a bit
unsportsmanlike, and in part because it doesn't really contribute
anything positive.  It's kind of mind-boggling that people like you make
no evident effort to avoid saying disparaging things about FreeBSD and
its users in venues like this mailing list, where it's trollish, does not
contribute anything positive, and directly offends large numbers of
people subscribed to the list.

Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: ]

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