top-posting 'condescending asshats' (to use Ryan Coleman's
description of himself)
bonomi at mail.r-bonomi.com
Wed Aug 3 19:01:31 UTC 2011
> Subject: Re: printing to Kyocera FS-1030D
> From: Ryan Coleman <editor at d3photography.com>
> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:22:51 -0500
> Screw off.
I'd suggest that you "take your own advice', except for the fact that you
probably don't know *how*.
> Top posting is actually a default in the mail software
FALSE TO FACT.
"top posting" was _universally_ frowned upon in the early days of email.
It became 'common', albeit *NOT* preferred/desirable, when Microsoft
introduced that botch in _their_ e-mail client, and the vast majority of
their users "didn't know any better."
There are sound 'human factors' reasons why bottom-posting is preferable in
*ANY* situation where the elapsed time between messages is longer than the
recipient's ability to retain the 'frame of reference' (i.e., the previous
message) in memory, it _is_ harder for the recipient of the message to follow
top-posted content than interleaved/bottom-posted. They _do_ have to scan
back-and-forth to find out (first) _what_ is being talked about,and (then)
what the response is.
Top posting _can_ be appropriate in situations where it is *KNOWN* that
eall_ parties will receive, and _read_, the 'reply' in a 'near-immediate'
time-frame relative to when the original was sent.
Those who fail to recognize this inherent _FACT_ of all 'non-local'
store-and-forward communications systems -- where the sender has _NO_ idea
of 'how soon' the recipient will read the message, or what they may have
been doing in the mean time -- *are* being 'inconsiderate' to their readers.
Those who _insist_ on doing it, despite attempts at education, are *arrogant*,
> And I will always do it.
No doubt. Marking you as an arrogant, and *deliberately* inconsiderate,
> More annoying: Extra spaces and not removing the cruff from the bottom of
> emails. And condescending asshats.
I see you believe in the double-standard of "do as I say, not as I do" given
that you left in over 60 lines of material that was entirely irrelevant to
your empty-headed posturing.
Note: The _entire_ prior conent is left intact here, to expressly document
the truth of the above statement.
> On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:08 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote:
> > Pierre, please do not 'top post' replies -- it makes the 'logic' of the
> > message hard to follow, to wit:
> > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> > A: Top-posting.
> > Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
> > See also _RFC 1855_ for the closest thing to an 'official' stance on
> > the matter.
> >> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:10:03 -0400 From: Pierre-Luc Drouin
> >> <pldrouin at pldrouin.net> To: Chris Whitehouse <cwhiteh at onetel.com> Cc:
> >> User Questions <freebsd-questions at freebsd.org> Subject: Re: printing
> >> to Kyocera FS-1030D
> >> Hi,
> >> I would install CUPS and use the PPD file recommended on
> >> openprinting.org
> >> (http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Kyocera/Kyocera-FS-1030D).
> > This is -guaranteed- to be *ineffective*.
> > Apparently you missed the mention in the OP's original message that the
> > printer is running in 'PCL' emulation mode, and that he _cannot_ change
> > that.
> >> Cheers, Pierre-Luc
> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Chris Whitehouse <cwhiteh at onetel.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> before I use up too many trees experimenting, could some kind soul
> >>> tell me how I can get OpenOffice to print to this printer. This is
> >>> the first time I have tried to get anything printed from FreeBSD.
> >>> I'm following the handbook. I think the basic setup is ok, I can get
> >>> text printed using eg
> >>> # lptest 20 5 | lpr -Plp
> >>> If I try to print the postscript program given in the handbook
> >>> %!PS
> >>> 100 100 moveto 300 300 lineto stroke
> >>> 310 310 moveto /Helvetica findfont 12 scalefont setfont
> >>> (Is this thing working?) show
> >>> showpage
> >>> # cat <ps-file> |lpr -Plp
> >>> I get the whole text of the file not just "Is this thing working?".
> >>> The printer has various emulations, it is set to PCL 6 and I can't
> >>> change it
> >>> (not my printer)
> >>> Printing from OpenOffice just produces screeds of garbage, starting
> >>> with %!PS so I presume the text of the postscript that OO has
> >>> produced.
> >>> The bit I'm stuck on is in section 220.127.116.11 Simulating PostScript on
> >>> Non PostScript Printers (which I presume is what I need),
> >>> specifically setting the device. gs -h doesn't show this printer or
> >>> any Kyocera printer. So either what should I set Device to, or how do
> >>> I get ghostscript to know about this printer?
> >>> I'm using 8.1-RELEASE, openoffice.org-3.2.1, ghostscript8-8.71_6
> >>> thanks
> >>> Chris
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