this is probably a little touchy to ask...

Craig Butler craig001 at
Fri Sep 10 16:10:17 UTC 2010

On Fri, 2010-09-10 at 08:16 -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
> Quoth Randal L. Schwartz on Friday, 10 September 2010:
> > >>>>> "Mark" == Mark Sommer <msommer at> writes:
> > 
> > Mark> That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5.
> > Mark> I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across
> > Mark> browsers, i.e.  adapted universally by all browsers uniformly.
> > Mark> Java is still a very viable platform, even on the browser.
> > 
> > Whenever I see Java firing up on my browser, I cringe.  (Flash too.)
> > 
> > There are darn few things either of these do that a good modern
> > cross-platform library, like jQueryUI, can't do instead.
> > 
> > Except for video playback, which HTML5 fixes as well.  And yes, until
> > then, we're stuck with Flash.
> > 
> > We needed Java before we had good JavaScript.  Now we have good
> > JavaScript.
> > 
> > I repeat... Java had its day.  Time to move on.
> > 
> Perhaps someone could provide specific use cases for which Java is the
> only good solution?
> I don't have Flash installed on my browser, and what I lack from that is
> evident.  I have yet to miss Java in any way.  What problems would it
> solve for people that can't be solved using a different approach?

One that springs to mind for me is alom/ilo/drac console redirection...
It requires java unfortunately.  

I suspect there are a lot of legacy applications that use javaws... It
will take time for them to catch up once html5 is proper mainstream if
at all.


Craig B

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