Installer program for FreeBSD-9.0?

Julian H. Stacey jhs at
Wed Dec 8 10:49:45 UTC 2010

Polytropon wrote: 
	To: "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs at>
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> On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:46:29 +0100, "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs at> wrote:
> > > Allow me a side question, but... what's wrong with ee? (Don't
> > > get me wrong, I've been a long-term vi user myself.)
> > 
> > VI has been on BSD since about 1979 or so I recall.
> > EE breaks the principle of least surprise.
> But it as an on-top help screen. :-)

Each install I do, ee annoys me at inetd.conf.

> If I remember correctly, earlier versions of FreeBSD I
> did install did have vi as default editor,

I don't think so.  I recall FreeBSD installer had no screen editor
until Jordan looked for one that would fit the install without
executable breaking floppy size constraints.  But jkh@ was an emacs
user by preference, & had more important install issues, so ee was
bundled in. I told him very quickly of 2 small vi clones, but too
late. With floppy size constraints disappearing, we'll be free to
consider options.

> even during
> installation. The change must have happened sometimes
> in the 5.x era. It obsoleted the initial /bin/ed, the
> standard editor ("ed is the standard editor").
> For those who like to use vi, it's still part of the
> base installation. At least I hope this won't change,
> and also many system utilities pay attention to $EDITOR,
> which defaulted to /usr/bin/vi in the past.
> For those who are familiar with FreeBSD, or with UNIX
> in general, there is no problem using either vi or ed.
> For novice users, ee is definitely the better choice
> as it doesn't require them to learn anything prior to
> its use, as learning is generally considered "unpleasant"
> these days... :-)
> -- 
> Polytropon
> Magdeburg, Germany
> Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...

Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich
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