Ports on Macbook

Chris Rees utisoft at googlemail.com
Mon Mar 2 10:49:02 PST 2009

2009/3/2 Julian Wissmann <julianwissmann at gmail.com>:
> Oh, that didn't go to the list, did it.
> I should actually read where I send stuff to, well, anyway.
> Suse was bought by Novell a while back as you probably know, but as far as I
> know the Suse team still is located in Nuernberg over here in Germany.
> They're programmers/geeks whichever you prefer to call it, not lawyers.
> So chances are they didn't know about this either when they started out, but
> considering that Yast was closed source for a while they probably found out
> soon.
> Am 02.03.2009 um 09:28 schrieb Bernt Hansson:
>> Julian Wissmann skrev:
>>> An EULA actually in nearly all European Countries and probably most
>>> other countries in the World is not binding.
>> That's my point. An EULA is just, that. An EULA.
>>> Even in the US it is not
>>> quite clear if an EULA is a valid license agreement.
>> Can't comment on that.
>>> Also EULAs and
>>> many Licenses actually only apply to US Law, so basically they're not
>>> worth anything anywhere else.
>> Yes. US law apply to us only.
>>> You couldn't enforce a GPL in Germany or
>>> some other european countries for example, because it is built atop
>>> another legal system with different ideas of how things work.
>> Interesting! Suse comes to mind, but is suse linux still based in germany?
>>> Same
>>> thing applies to EULAs. I read a very interesting article on German iX
>>> magazine recently wich was covering this. Don't have access to it
>>> right now though cause I'm on a trip home, so I can't really say much
>>> more about it, but if you want specific details I can post them in a
>>> bout a week.
>> Take your time. This kind of discussion's come and go.
>>> Am 28.02.2009 um 22:29 schrieb Bernt Hansson:
>>>> Chris Rees skrev:
>>>>> 2009/2/28 Bernt Hansson <bernt at bah.homeip.net>:
>>>>>> Lord Blackadder skrev:
>>>>>>> Bernt Hansson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sean Cavanaugh skrev:
>>>>>>> I'm sorry to disappoint you, Bernt, but under Swedish law any
>>>>>>> kind of
>>>>>>> agreement is legally binding. Even just a handshake.
>>>>>> Yes. But clicking yes or no is not a handshake or oral agreement
>>>>>> acording to Swedish law.
>>>>> Again, back it up? You're just expecting us to believe your
>>>>> interpretation of the law.
>>>> Who's interpretation are you in comfort with? Your own? Sombody
>>>> else, a
>>>> lawyer? A pornstar?
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In all fairness, you are posting on a mailing list about software
originating in the US, written in English, with the original post
being a guy from India, and the disputed one being made from a guy in
Spain. How is Swedish law relevant to this discussion, whether it says
what you claim or not?

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