Tool for validating sender address as spam-fighting technique?

Christopher Sean Hilton chris at
Wed Mar 14 03:30:25 UTC 2007

Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
> On Mar 13, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Christopher Sean Hilton wrote:
>> On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 12:00 -0400, Marcelo Maraboli wrote:
>>> I agree..... callbacks are not enough, you can reach a
>>> false conclusion, that´s why I use SPF along with callbacks...
>>> on the same message, my MX concludes:
>>> "you are sending email "from chad at", but
>>> says YOUR IP address is not allowed to send email on behalf
>>> of that domain, therefore YOU ARE FAKE/FORGED" ..---> reject
>>> regards,
>> I'm not sure what you mean by callbacks but if that involves talking to
>> and trying to figure out if cmdr.sinclair at is
>> a valid address go ahead. I would consider a mailserver that answers
>> that question a security risk as it is freely giving away information
>> about your domain without notifying you. For a long time my mx servers
>> would answer any such question in the affirmative regardless of whether
>> or not the mail account existed.
> Address verification callbacks take various forms, but the way exim does 
> it by default is to attempt to start a DSN delivery to the address and 
> if the RCPT TO is accepted it is affirmative.  It is not usually use 
> VRFY.  Most address verification is done by attempting to start some 
> sort of delivery to the address.

I'm assuming that DSN is Delivery Service Notification or return 
receipt. If it is or if it somehow relies on the ability to deliver a 
message via smtp to * then I don't see how it prevents spam.

>> As the above poster says SPF is the way to go. SPF gives the receiving
>> MTA a mechanism to vet inbound mail. For any combination of <mail
>> server> and <from address/from domain> there are three possible results
>> from an SPF check: The server is allowed to send mail for the domain;
>> The server is not allowed to send mail for the domain; And I cannot tell
>> because the owner of the domain hasn't published an SPF record. The only
>> problem with SPF is that it's not more widely implemented so the third
>> response is sadly more common than the first two.
> I believe it also breaks when you have forwards.

I'm not sure that I would classify it as breakage. I always confuse 
these but there is a problem with SPF vis-a-vis remails or old style 
bounces of messages. The delivery from address specified as mail-from in 
the smtp dialog and the envelope from specified in the mail's headers 
will differ. And the one that SPF checks is the smtp dialog mail-from 
address. So a spammer can setup SPF for his domain and mail will false 
positive in the SPF check but the MTA can add a header which lists the 
original sender. E.g. jrandomspammer at lists himself as the 
sender of a mail and lists as a valid source of mail 
for his domain. He crafts an email with a from address of 
curry at and fires is off to you. I'm fairly certain that my 
MTA, postfix, will add an Original-Sender: jrandomspammer at 
header to any message that comes in under these circumstances. I 
wouldn't be surprised if my Bayes filter is keying on this header.

In the end internet email is built on a flawed protocol. It'd be great 
if you could verify that the letter that you got passed was really sent 
by the person who name was really sent in the mail-from part of the smtp 
handshake but you can't. For my part I neither want to burden people who 
want to send me email with the chore of having to vet themselves nor 
wade through excessive amounts of spam. I greylist with spamd and then 
filter with spamassassin and it's Bayes filter. I find that this 
combination works very well at negligible cost to people who want to 
send me mail. YMMV

-- Chris

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