Long Shot - MSN Group chat room access

Garrett Cooper youshi10 at u.washington.edu
Mon Jun 12 00:14:16 UTC 2006

On Jun 11, 2006, at 2:24 PM, dgmm wrote:

> On Sunday 11 June 2006 16:34, Nikolas Britton wrote:
>> On 6/11/06, dgmm <freebsd01 at dgmm.net> wrote:
>>> On Sunday 11 June 2006 03:49, Nikolas Britton wrote:
>>>> I forgot about Konqueror :-) I just tried spoofing msn chat with
>>>> Konqueror and it worked, well I got to the front page at least  
>>>> but I
>>>> don't have an msn account so I can't test it any further. In  
>>>> Konqueror
>>>> simply goto Settings > Configure Konqueror... > Browser
>>>> Identification, and then click on "New...". set it to
>>>> http://chat.msn.com and use "Internet Explorer 6.0 on Windows XP".
>>> She can get into the the relevant groups page and access all the  
>>> features
>>> there except for the live chat room.  Closer inspection looks  
>>> like it's
>>> all ActiveX stuff so that's most likely the problem.  I tried as you
>>> suggested but Konqueror crashed :-(
>> Spoof as Firefox 1.0/1.5 on Windows 2000 / XP.
>> Spoof as NN4 / NN6 on Windows 95 / 98.
>> Spoof as IE4 on Windows 95 etc. etc.
>> It must be assuming you have ActiveX because your identifying  
>> yourself
>> as IE6/XP...
> It appears to be more complex than either of us thought :-(
> I tried various useragent strings in Konqueror and the nearest I  
> got was a
> blank chat page with no warnings.
> I've now also tried putting an IE5/Win95 useragent string into
> general.useragent.override in the about.config page of FireFox.
> This fooled msn completely but didn't do me any good.
> --------------------------------------------------------	
> We are now downloading MSN Chat software.
> If a Security Warning box like this appears, please click its Yes  
> button to
> complete the download.
> NOTE: If you click No, you will not be able to chat.
> The download is in progress
> It takes approximately 2 minutes.
> (using a 28.8k modem)
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Of course, nothing downloaded, and even if it had, well it ain't  
> gonna work.
> I've got Wine compiled now so will see what I can do with that.
> -- 
> Dave

	Yeah, I've tried similar solutions with Wine to try and get other  
programs to work that require ActiveX (Steam/HL), and I have been  
partially successful. In the end, you may just have to have a  
computer which can access MSN chat using XP or maybe OSX (?). I don't  
forsee full support being available to the Unix crowd anytime in the  
future, since many MSN related items are based on ActiveX and MS- 
rightfully so-won't give up something that makes their OS 'more  
accessible' to some items, be they websites or other software related  
things such as installers, etc since that would be giving up part of  
their market share.
	Also, MS has been playing a cat and mouse game with the Wine people  
for quite some time locking the Wine folks out by restricting  
operating systems versions and software installations (DX9, IE, etc),  
which has-for the most part-worked in MS's favor, but you may be  
lucky and are able to access MSN chat on FreeBSD by some oversight by  
a dev somewhere ;).

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