Spamcop listed - need help to diagnose why

Danial Thom danial_thom at
Tue Jan 10 05:04:33 PST 2006

--- Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm at>

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-freebsd-questions at
> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions at]On
> Behalf Of jdow
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:12 AM
> >To: freebsd-questions at
> >Subject: Re: Spamcop listed - need help to
> diagnose why
> >
> >> 
> >> Unfortunately, jdow, since your using this
> setup, the spammer has
> >> already successfully delivered the mail to
> you.  The fact that you
> >> delete the spam before reading makes no
> difference - the spammer
> >> doesen't know that and thinks they have
> successfully delivered it.
> >
> >No they have not. They've managed to get it
> onto my machine, 
> >transiently.
> >It never got delivered to ME, the organic unit
> here at this email
> >address.
> I know that and your arguing out of your hat -
> simply pulling statements
> out of context.  You know perfectly well that
> the "to you" in the
> sentence was to your machine, the paragraph
> context told you that.
> Unfortunately in the spam game, it only matters
> if the spammer
> thinks they didn't successfully deliver it to
> you.  And that only
> happens if the machine delivering the spam gets
> an error when
> trying to deliver it, since the spammer isn't
> using legitimate
> senders addresses and cannot get feedback any
> other way.
> I've never been a fan of post-filters for this
> reason.  For some
> kinds of filtering - like content filtering for
> example - that
> is the only way you can do it.  But I think it
> the height of
> strangeness when SA checks blacklists and such
> to assign scores.
> If they really cared about spamfiltering, they
> would use the
> IP blacklists in the way they are intended - to
> block access
> completely to the spammer, not even let them
> connect to the
> server at all.  The mail that SA is assigning
> scores on based on
> an IP blacklist shouldn't even be in the SA
> filter to begin with.
> >> Denying the spam before it's even accepted
> into the server is a
> >> much better way.  Unfortunately, a content
> filter means you have to
> >
> >If you can make fetchmail do that you're
> pretty clever, kemo sabe.
> >
> No, but I can replace the Rube Goldberg
> fetchmail arraingement your
> using with a real mailserver that is on the
> Internet all the time
> and can make use of blacklist servers and such.
> And yes, I'm just as good at making
> smart-alecky comments as you
> are.  Probably better at it, actually.  Do you
> want to knock it
> off and go back to the technical merits
> discussion now? ;-)

YIKES. This is what happens when you put
pimply-faced kids in charge of important things
like mail. The "carpet bomb MECCA in order to
kill a few terrorists" approach to computing. Its


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