Frontpage and jails and possible alternatives

[Tim Traver]

Bill,

ok, I tested this out for ya, and I couldn't duplicate the issue. FreeBSD 
4.8...

I put an additional IP on the main interface, and started apache with 
Listen IP:80 for each IP. The server has mod_frontpage using apache 1.3.29. 
I even tried have the BindAddress in the conf file as well.

Sorry, I don't have the extra time to install 1.3.31 and recompile for ya, 
but I think there is something else going on there...

Where in the conf file is your Listen directive ? What OS ? Is there 
anything listening on port 80 when you have apache off ? Is your IP an 
alias to the primary interface ?

I really don't think that the frontpage module even has the ability to 
change what apache binds to...

Anyways, thought I would let you know that I couldn't reproduce it...

Tim.


At 10:38 AM 6/10/2004, Bill Moran wrote:
>Tim Traver <tt-list at simplenet.com> wrote:
>
> > Bill,
> >
> > I use the latest mod_frontpage module with Apache 1.3.31...
> >
> > I haven't tested whether or not it binds to *:80 or not when I specify 
> an IP.
> >
> > How are you specifying the IP in the conf file ? Are you just using Listen
> > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:80 ?
>
>Both of the following:
>
>Listen xx.xx.xx.xx:80
>BindAddress xx.xx.xx.xx
>
>I have another server here (used for development) with a fairly vanilla Apache
>install, and changing those same two settings causes it to do what I'd expect.
>
>I can't find any directives in the Frontpage Apache config that might 
>cause this
>... but I suppose it's possible that I'm missing something.
>
> > At 09:42 AM 6/10/2004, Bill Moran wrote:
> > >Tim Traver <tt-list at simplenet.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bill,
> > > >
> > > > Not sure what you mean that frontpage caused apache to bind to all
> > > > IP's...it shouldn't...
> > >
> > >I agree.
> > >
> > > > The frontpage apache module should respect any of the virtual hosts or
> > > > virtual IP's that you have set up in apache.
> > >
> > >It definately should.
> > >
> > > > The module is just a way for
> > > > apache to run the fp.exe wrapper script around the frontpage binary. I
> > > > don't know how it would even be able to force apache to bind to 
> anything...
> > >
> > >Nor do I.
> > >
> > > > Are you sure about that ???
> > >
> > >Yes.  When I configured Apache to only listen on 1 IP address, 
> sockstat then
> > >showed it listening on that address in addition to *:80.  The exact same
> > >config changes on a machine without fp installed resulted in the expected
> > >behaviour.
> > >
> > >Now, I haven't been idle since I made that first post ... It seems 
> there are
> > >two frontpage ports, apache_fp and mod_frontpage.  I've got apache_fp
> > >installed.
> > >
> > >Anyone using mod_frontpage that can say whether it's better or worse?
> > >
> > > > At 07:38 AM 6/10/2004, Bill Moran wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >I just learned that if you run Apache+Frontpage, you can't teach 
> Apache to
> > > > >only listen on a single IP address.  For some reason, Frontpage causes
> > > > >Apache to always bind to all IP addresses.  Somehow, this stupidity
> > > doesn't
> > > > >really surprise me too much.
> > > > >
> > > > >The reason I wanted to do this is because I have a machine I want to
> > > > >set jails up on, so I can run multiple instances of Apache.  But I 
> didn't
> > > > >want to mess with the existing Apache installation right now.
> > > > >
> > > > >Anyway ... in the long run I've got two choices:
> > > > >1) Get Apache+Frontpage running in a jail so it will quit fscking up
> > > the other
> > > > >    stuff I'm trying to do on this machine
> > > > >2) Find some alternative to frontpage to provide frontpage 
> services that
> > > > >    behaves like a proper server.
> > > > >
> > > > >My questions are (respectively):
> > > > >1) Does anyone have Apache+Frontpage successfully running in a
> > > jail?  I just
> > > > >    thought I'd ask before I spent (wasted?) a lot of time trying to
> > > make it
> > > > >    work.
> > > > >2) Can anyone suggest an alternative to Apache+Frontpage?  I prefer
> > > scp myself
> > > > >    (and there are even spiffy GUI scp clients for Windows) but many
> > > of these
> > > > >    clients _insist_ on using Frontpage, so I _must_ continue to 
> cater to
> > > > > them.
> > > > >
> > > > >TIA for any answers.
> > > > >
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