[RFC] Why FreeBSD ports should have branches by OS version

Dave Hayes dave at jetcafe.org
Sun Jun 25 22:32:41 UTC 2017

On 06/23/2017 01:53, Guido Falsi wrote:
> If your model works fine I'm quite sure the FreeBSD community and
> project will be quite happy to embrace it.
 > I cannot think of a better way to show there actually is no manpower 
problem than creating a working example of such a workflow maintained by 
just a few people with little effort, as you said repeatedly.
> On other hand demanding and/or insisting that others implement your idea
> when they clearly disagree with you is not very constructive.

The fallacy in your suggestion to "do it yourself" is that the others 
who are actually working and committing on ports are far more efficient 
at implementing these ideas than the rest of us.

I've never seen someone who says "do it yourself if you want it 
different" actually take into account that the expertise and experience 
of the people currently doing it result in a far lower manpower cost, 
sometimes by orders of magnitude.

Thus, in some cases, people demand or insist because they want something 
they either cannot accomplish themselves, or cannot accomplish in the 
limited time they have. As far as I have observed, you can't even -pay- 
the ports experts to do something you might want. If you do not have 
this time or expertise, the only recourses left are: demand, insist, 
request, plead, or attempt to logically convince.

As I see it, the emotions you see people expressing don't come as much 
from "not having their own way" as it does from being forced to adopt 
someone else's way. Looking at just that idea, the situation is not 
really that much different from using Microsoft and Apple; you take what 
they give you or go use something else. I think there's a general 
perception that open source is not supposed to be like that so much, but 
I think we all know differently here.

To be absolutely clear, I'm not demanding or insisting on anything here 
out of ports maintainers or FreeBSD. I can and do support myself, when I 
am able. I'm merely pointing out ideas which may not be immediately 
visible to the people in this thread.
Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave at jetcafe.org
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