Expulsion of John Marino - reasons and impact?
baho-utot at columbus.rr.com
Thu Feb 16 12:58:47 UTC 2017
On 02/15/17 21:13, Chris H wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:42:33 -0800 Dave Hayes <dave at jetcafe.org> wrote
>> On 02/14/2017 15:15, Bryan Drewery wrote:
>>> On 2/14/2017 2:58 PM, Michael Gmelin wrote:
>>>>> On 14 Feb 2017, at 22:16, Bryan Drewery <bdrewery at FreeBSD.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/14/2017 12:50 PM, Dewayne Geraghty wrote:
>>>>> I think that commit message combined with
>>>>> https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html is enough.
>>>> The commit message basically says that he misbehaved once too often and
>>>> the CoC defines what "misbehave" might mean. Not over the top
>>>> transparent/detailed to be honest. > Right, would you want an organization
>>>> you volunteered for to drag your > name through the mud for some reason?
>> For reference, the commit message has this text:
>>> Their behaviour towards their fellow contributors has repeatedly fallen
>>> short of what the Project expects of its members. They were given multiple
>>> warnings that their interactions with other contributors needed to improve
>>> and unfortunately they did not.
>> Don't you think his name is -already- dragged through the mud by having
>> one's commit bit removed with reasons as stated above?
>> Just curious. :)
> Hello. Is there an *adult* in the room?
> c'mon. Am I the only one here that see's this as childish behavior?
> I feel like I'm in a classroom in elementary school, and the teacher
> just punished one of the students for misbehavior. Or maybe Parents
> scolding their bickering kids.
> Don't any of you get it?! You're plowing through thousands of lines
> of code. You're anxious, you've got a few hundred pr(1)'s to get
> through. The last thing you are right now is "feely". You intend
> to get these PR's out, so things can move forward with the ports
> tree. Which will really help *everyone*. I've been in this sort
> of situation *thousands* of times, myself. The pressure gets to
> you. *John* is not the only one here that gets, or ever feels
> this way, and any of you who have made *any* real commitments
> to the FreeBSD source/ports/$WORK know damn good and well what
> I mean here.
> This action is a childish outburst by someone, or someone(s)
> with the power to pull, or the influence to pull commit bits.
> Pure, and simple.
> This is NOT how a PROFESSIONAL organization reacts to situations
> where quality personnel are involved.
> This sort of thing looks REALLY bad in the press!
> Say what you want about me. But I know well, and good that
> many, if not most of you reading along, know what I am saying
> is at *least* not far off.
> Thank you for your indulgence, and apologies if any of my
> language should seem offensive.
> After some 30 years on BSD, I feel strongly about it, and this
> sort of thing *really* disappoints me.
Could not have said this any better. I user of FreeBSD coming from
Linux ( since 1995 ) and having to go thru the systemd fiasco causing me
to move to FreeBSD. Do I now need to move to Dragonfly BSD?
Or do I need to go back to building and packaging my own version of
Linux. This did not impress me at all to say the least.
Later.....Looking for options.....
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