Subscription for committer

John Marino at
Wed Dec 21 04:39:01 UTC 2016

On 12/20/2016 18:39, Warren Block wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016, John Marino wrote:
>> On 12/19/2016 20:22, Mark Linimon wrote:
>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 07:07:06PM -0600, John Marino wrote:
>>>> It's a natural reaction to stop attempting to contribute when previous
>>>> contributions don't get "attention they deserve".
>>> Which some people (including me) see as odds with:
>>>> the impression that portmaster is officially recommended [has] to be
>>>> stamped out
>>> People tend to put off working on topics that include "demands".
>>> It's just human nature.
>>> Plus, there are thousands of other PRs to work on that don't involve
>>> such
>>> charged language.  Working on those is more rewarding and less
>>> frustrating.
>> It was decided that any implied recommendation for portupgrade and
>> portmaster in FreeBSD documentation has to be removed.
> Obviously there is some disagreement on this point, as this long,
> multiply-broken, renamed thread has shown.

It wasn't up for discussion; portmgr made the decision on it and said it 
should be done.

>> The docs people are aware of the decision and are charged to implement
>> it.
> As volunteers, committers are free to choose the work they want to do.

Then give me authority to commit to documentation.
This excuse is easily defused.

>> It's not "my" demand.  If valid PRs are in a moving queue, fine.  If
>> valid PRs are being conveniently and intentionally forgotten, I would
>> say that's not fine.
> There is no queue.  Volunteers choose the work they want to do.

I am reluctant to point out the elephant in the room, but I think you 
know what I'm thinking.

>> and mcl: I challenge you to identify *ANY* offputting language in PR
>> 214679. You can't just imply that it exists when it doesn't.
> There has been plenty of off-putting language outside of that PR
> referring back to it, including some a few lines above. These are far
> beyond demotivational. More of the same will not have a different effect.
> My apologies for extending this already too-long thread.

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