What is the problem with ports PR reaction delays?

Aryeh Friedman aryeh.friedman at gmail.com
Mon Jan 27 06:56:04 UTC 2014

On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Alfred Perlstein <alfred at freebsd.org>wrote:

> I'm not sure, I'm going to go load up healthcare.gov to see if I can
> order myself some free aspirin after this "discussion".

At least my build system has never caused me to need an aspirin (normal
debugging is bad enough).  Sarcasm aside, to bring this thread back on
track, the important issues are:

  * The development model used by aegis is likely the cleanest development
cycle I have seen (main reason for this is Peter Miller is one of the few
SCM and build management theorists [vs. just hacking something til it
works]).   The model is namely (repeat as needed)
develop->test->review->integrate... note that test comes before review for
the simple reason to even get to review you must build correctly and pass
all your own tests (isn't this the main goal of automating the port system
anyways)... also keep in mind we can use this model without necessarily
switching to aegis per se.  With or without aegis, it would save the ports
team a lot of time to be able to build and test a port automatically before
they spend any time reviewing the code.  Aegis, by default, enforces this

  * GitHub *REQUIRES* all developers (including all port maintainers -- not
just the committers) to switch to GitHub.  On the other hand, if the ports
team were to use aegis and/or cook, this would NOT require any changes at
all from the POV of maintainers.  Even on the ports team, most members
would need to learn nothing more than 6 new basic commands...
(portmgr at would need to learn a lot more though depending on what kind
non-standard processing needs to be done in integration).

  * If there are modifications to the overall port system, switching to
aegis and/or cook would not require changes to individual ports like GitHub
seems to

> I skimmed the rest of your message and nothing really stuck out as
> something worth perusing.  I guess I have to say is that I hope you enjoy
> Agis so much that you and the 10 other people using it are able to
> proselytize it to the success that git and github have had.  You certainly
> seem passionate about it!

It would be nice if you could refrain from commenting on stuff you can't be
bothered to "peruse."

Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org

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