Limitations of Ports System

Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen at
Sat Dec 15 12:08:25 PST 2007

Frank J. Laszlo wrote:

> I rarely post on -ports anymore, due to the lack of order and respect 
> for those who actually DO SOMETHING, and not just bitch and moan about 
> things that should be done.

I remember it was only a few short years ago that ports@ was completely 
inundated by receiving every PR that was ports related.  Now these PR's 
are thankfully sent to a different group, I think it is ports-bugs at .  (I 
admit complete ignorance of the history behind why this was done!)

Before then, I found ports@ completely unusable.  Now I am finding it to 
be a very interesting and very, very useful mailing list.  Sometimes I 
happen to have the answer to someone else's issue.  And very often, when 
I have a problem, some kind person has a good answer for me!

Anyway, if you are going to have a mailing list like this one, and if it 
is going to be of any use at all, then you must simply accept bitching 
and moaning as part of the process.  If you try to silence what you 
perceive to be bitching and moaning, more than likely you are going to 
stop what could be potentially very useful discussions.  In particular, 
if there isn't some discussion as to why the status quo is screwed up, 
then the status quo IS screwed up, and dissent is being inappropriately 


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