relaunchd: a portable clone of launchd
Daniel Eischen
deischen at freebsd.org
Tue Jan 12 17:24:39 UTC 2016
On Tue, 12 Jan 2016, Dan Partelly wrote:
> Verbose is not bad , Konstantin . I actually prefer verbose source.
> It is easy to read and understand. It is preferable all day long to
> clever hacks and obfuscated ways of writing code
>
> Ill tell you one thing. Years ago, when Ms Leaked on their site
> ntoskrnl.exe symbols with private debug information , I dint had too
> much trouble understanding a lot of the implementation details from
> the kernel , exactly because MS is verbose. And that .. in WinDbg
> assembly. The source would have been much much more easier to read.
>
> Yeah, MS’s APIs are not the best I give you that. But regarding
> *readability* , Windows is leaps and bounds ahead of any Unix I seen.
> It is extremely easy to figure out what a certain function does, how
> they use data structures, and what the members of said data structures
> represent.
>
> I like verbosity. Makes figuring things easier, makes maintenance
> easier. I frankly hope to spend as little of possible of my life
> reading terse source code. This is also why I like Ada language. Its a
> joy to read Ada source.
Ok, speaking as a software engineer for 31 years and has been
developing and maintaining Ada programs for the last 25 of those
years... Ada is just a language, I've seen both bad design and
good design in it, as well as in C and Java. I've seen massive
over verboseness in Ada and it makes maintaining it a nightmare.
When your coding guidelines have a maximum line length of 132
or greater characters, and lines _routinely_ go _well_ over 80
characters, because of package hierarchy, and package and
subprogram (methods) names being very long, you know something
is wrong.
It depends on how you define what is a good level of verboseness,
and you can have that in pretty much any language. You just
need to herd cats to follow the guidelines.
I echo the sentiments about CORBA. Being forced to use
bloated middleware to do something simple... I have to
stop thinking about it because it makes me angry ;-)
--
DE
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