9.1-RC3 feels okay :-) - Hald and xorg?

Chuck Burns break19 at gmail.com
Thu Nov 8 19:59:56 UTC 2012

On 11/8/2012 1:46 PM, Warren Block wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012, Richard Kuhns wrote:
>> On 11/08/12 10:45, Warren Block wrote:
>>> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012, CeDeROM wrote:
>>>> I have tested additional options in xorg runtime :-)
>>>> With the patched xorg mouse driver 1.7.1 (or driver version >=1.7.2)
>>>> situation is following:
>>>> 1. With hald and dbus no xorg.conf file is needed. However it might bo
>>>> option to pass some additional featutes parameters with xorg.conf.
>>>> 2. With no hald and dbus mouse and keyboard does not work in xorg
>>>> unless
>>>> Option "AllowEmptyInput" "False" is added to  Section "ServerLayout" by
>>>> hand in xorg.conf. Without this option input does not work even if
>>>> xorg.conf defines it! AllowEmptyInput=False forces to detect input
>>>> deviced
>>>> by Xorg at startup.
>>> No.  AllowEmptyInput is wrong.  It was causing so many problems that it
>>> has been removed from later xorg-server releases.
>>> Option "AutoAddDevices" "Off" is the one that means "dont' use Hal to
>>> detect input devices".
>>>> Thank you for this hint! This could be added to the handbook :-)
>>>> AllowEmptyInput=False should be a default for Xorg IMO we can report
>>>> it to
>>>> the Xorg project! :-)
>>> Really, the simplest solution is to build xorg-server with the HAL
>>> option disabled.  I agree that this should be the default.
>> Just a comment: according to http://wiki.freebsd.org/VirtualBox, Hal
>> is still
>> required for VirtualBox in order to have host DVD/CD access.
> This is probably a permissions thing.  VirtualBox sees the device, but
> can't quite mount it.  So hal may not be actually required for that
> function in VirtualBox, but figuring out just what is needed without hal
> remains to be done.
> KDE and Gnome both still need hal, but AFAIK do not require it to be
> used for xorg input device detection.  xfce4 works fine without hal.
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Actually, KDE does -not- need hal. KDE uses the SOLID system for 
automatic mounting/unmounting of removable/non-removable drives.  There 
are two backends for SOLID. Hal, and udisks.  Since FreeBSD does not 
support udisks, then the only viable SOLID backend, at the moment, is 
the hald one.  The kde@ team plans to eventually write a devd SOLID 
backend, but they are extremely busy, so any help in that would be most 
welcome.. avilla@ can probably elaborate on that.. cross-posting my 
reply to the kde@ ML so they can chime in if need be.

Chuck Burns <break19 at gmail.com>

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