Do we need this junk?

Scott Long scottl at
Sat Apr 7 00:36:58 UTC 2007

Nikolas Britton wrote:
> On 4/6/07, M. Warner Losh <imp at> wrote:
>> In message: <ef10de9a0704061136s2dc35c06w431d6d3f8c05dc1 at>
>>             "Nikolas Britton" <nikolas.britton at> writes:
>> : Where is this coming from? I'm trying to debate some of the issues
>> : with FreeBSD and the only thing you've added to this thread is fuck
>> : off? Why?
>> Because you have used language that is somewhat absolute and have not
>> done a market research on who actually uses FreeBSD.  You have also
>> shown a fundamental lack of understanding of how modern machines are
>> put together as well, since you think all things ISA are obsolete
>> (they are not).
>> As others have noted, there's a very large and vibrant embedded
>> FreeBSD community.  This community makes real and meaningful
>> contributions to FreeBSD.  Over the years, I've made thousands of
>> commits to the tree, funded in large part by the embedded companies
>> that I have worked for, including CardBus, PC Card, SD/MMC,
>> infrasturcutre changes, etc.
>> Frankly, we'd rather tell a new, upstart to get bent than to tell
>> actual users and supports of FreeBSD to get bent by removing the
>> offending items from the tree.  It really is a no-brainer.
> New upstart? I have not been using FreeBSD for as long as you but I'm
> definitely not new here, I've been using and hacking on FreeBSD for
> over 5 years now and my professional experience with almost every
> operating system under the sun goes back much much farther. If the
> project leadership doesn't give a shit about the users then I guess I
> don't give a shit about project. Good bye. I'm sure Sun would mind new
> users.

Oh, you wanted a discussion?  I thought you wanted baseless opinions.
Oh well, I'm sure that the OpenSolaris developers are eager to hear your
ideas on what they should and should not work on and support.


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