Annoucning DragonFly BSD!
julian at elischer.org
Thu Jul 17 08:58:04 PDT 2003
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Julian Stacey wrote:
> Periodicaly someone masquerades as Matt Dilllon. Those targeted
> by trolls need to work extra hard to establish credibility of
> poster's address, to avoid suspicion of "troll at work" (phone
> number maybe?). Trolls of course need to work extra hard too, to
> also convince us. Maybe this time the poster is the real Matthew
> Dillon, but I doubt it.
> Matthew Dillon <dillon at apollo.backplane.com> appeared to write:
> > Announcing DragonFly BSD!
> > http://www.dragonflybsd.org/
> Doing a new kernel approach seems a plausible tech target,
> the merits I'd leave to others.
> > and to completely rewrite the packaging and distribution system.
> Seems unliklely/over ambitious/ divisive to me, suspicion of Troll.
firstly, Matt has discussed this with me in person.
> - A new kernel - OK - maybe it'll cross fertilise others,
> but couldn't it run with an exisiting /usr/src ? Free Net or Open.
Mat had his commit bit unfairly removed.. what would YOU do?
> - A new ports / package system - OK if the need is felt: even though
> FreeBSD ports/ was so popular it got adoped & looked at by other
> projects, that didn't stop it changing recently (file
> reduction) But couldn't it run with exisiting BSDs, presumably
> FreeBSD ? The ports project is really a Sisyphus [sp? was Greek
> anyway, not our Latin alphabet ] effort, a dubious idea to divide
> the number of shoulders that load sits on. There's already another
> cross platform ports project anyway (Freshports?)
> - A new distribution mechanism (whatever) ? maybe - but again
> if better, that technology should be adopted & merged into other BSDs.
> http://www.dragonflybsd.org/ may be a just a troll erection, it's
> constructed so there's nothing real to see. A troll site ? No
> where to click & sample code inside browser, you'd have to cvsup &
> extract localy to check real code. No interest until others confirm real.
you missed the entire source tree? look again..
and I doubt that a troller would have redesigned the entire kernel
to make a troll and made it work.. if he did we should invite him in..
> If friends who localy know / work with / meet Matthew Dillon,
> announce on this list that it's really him, & that's what he's
> really doing & is to be taken seriously, then it'll perhaps be worth
> looking at, but then again, maybe the real Matt will return to his
> desk, & announce another troll attempt.
it's himm.. believe it..
> The logo is useless (& a troll give away ?):
> - Business: Yesterday I delivered an HP Network
> Scanjet 5, with NT removed & FreeBSD installed (
> http://berklix.com/scanjet ) I stuck a FreeBSD `tattoo' (from
> WC?) on the chassis just after the `5' of the product name (they
> stick fine on plastic, though text implies for human skin (not
> tried that)). IMO the Linux & BSD logos are both rather childish,
> but clearly used for business as well as personal. but I wouldn't
> stick the dragonflybsd slavering head on a rubbish bin.
> - Last night at the Munich BSD monthly gathering ( http://berklix.org/bim/ )
> this month's convenor had brought
> a Chuck daemon which stood verticaly as recognition symbol, after
> shovin feet in a big (clean) ash tray. A Penguin can also be made to stand,
> (low centre of gravity help) But what would one do with a slavering head ?
> ... Other than Bin it !
> First 2 sentences of main page seem a possible Linux troll give away:
> DragonFly is an operating system and environment designed to be
> the logical continuation of the FreeBSD-4.x OS series. These
> operating systems belong in the same class as Linux in that they
> are based on UNIX ideals and APIs.
> There's a lot of mention of "We" on those few pages, & no list of who the
> list of "We" includes as founders. A fake site maybe ?
He did this with consultation with some others..
I don't think they are 'active' but they were consulted.
> There's too many BSD's already. More complete BSDs aren't of
> personal or business benefit. More kernels, tools, & experiments
> in ports/packaging etc could be useful though, but to be of most
> benefit such work should be fully integratable, & not further split
> the available BSD workforce.
Well if you take away his commit bit treeat him unfairly, what other
choice does he have?
> My guess is the original post was a fake masquerade, (what some call a
> troll), the web site is probably the same. (Apologies to Matt if I'm
> wrong, but the real Matt hopefuly appreciates us being cautious :-)
> My Tel. +49.89.260233276 Timezone=GMT+01:00 (EG ID check :-)
> Julian Stacey Freelance Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich.
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