RFC: Sendmail deprecation ?

[freebsd.arch at clogic.com.ua]

On 2017-12-09 19:08, Julian Elischer wrote:
> On 7/12/17 12:16 pm, Don Lewis wrote:
>> On  6 Dec, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I would like to propose the deprecation then removal of sendmail in 
>>> base.
>>> 
>>> Deprecation will happen in the form of FreeBSD 12.0 being built 
>>> WITHOUT_SENDMAIL
>>> by default
>>> 
>>> removal would happen in FreeBSD 13.0
>>> 
>>> sendmail in base it not really usable as a full featured mta due to 
>>> the fact it
>>> does not support anything an entreprised grade mta setup would 
>>> require: ldap
>>> support for example, check the number of options available in the 
>>> sendmail port.
>>> 
>>> Users for that use case would be better served by the port version of 
>>> sendmail.
>>> 
>>> The other kind of users are the one using the default setup of 
>>> sendmail:
>>> relaying emails externally and deliver locally.
>> I've found that sendmail in base meets my needs.  I haven't had the 
>> need
>> for any of the features that are only available in the port.
> "me too".
> How about you just leave it there until we have pkgbase by default and
> then just swap it.
> I have enough scripts and configs around that I don't want to revisit
> to fix all this.
> I hardly remember how they work.. They've been untouched except for 
> upgrades
> for about a decade.
> 
Most users don't need a sandmail in base. As example, I always disable 
sendmail and install dma for local use or postfix for mail servers. So I 
can't understand, why I need do this every time as I install new 
instance of FreeBSD in 2017?
> 
>> It doesn't looks like dma(8) would be useful for me on my primary
>> machines since I basically need its inverse.  It would only be useful
>> on my headless machines to forward cron-generated mail to my mail
>> server.  I don't do any local delivery of mail to mbox files.  My mail
>> server delivers all mail to cyrus-imapd via lmtp, which is a fairly
>> simple tweak to the sendmail.mc file.  I also have a couple of mail
>> relays that do some smart routing and spam filtering.
>> 
>> One thing that is comes with sendmail in base but is missing from the
>> sendmail port is all the handy stuff in /etc/mail, such as the
>> freebsd.mc template, the aliases file, and the Makefile which makes
>> maintaining the config files and the .db files much easier.  Without
>> this stuff, setting up the sendmail port would be much more
>> intimidating.
> amen
> a sendmail-freebsd port maybe?
> 

Best regards.