Importing djb's public domain daemontools?

[Warner Losh]

On Jan 16, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Doug Barton wrote:

> On 01/16/2012 19:41, Jos Backus wrote:
>> On Jan 16, 2012 6:53 PM, "Doug Barton" <dougb at freebsd.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 01/16/2012 12:53, Jos Backus wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> This is already available in ports.
>> 
>> I realize that.
> 
> Good, then we're done. :)

Not necessarily...

>> If FreeBSD had a solid solution out of the box, all this pidfile hackery in
>> the base system wouldn't be necessary.
> 
> We don't do religious wars here. We especially don't do trollbait from
> djb acolytes. The "pidfile hackery" that we currently have works just
> fine in the vast majority of cases. The fact that it doesn't meet some
> people's ideas of architectural purity is totally beside the point.

This isn't a religious war.  This is someone coming to us and saying that it might be a good idea to clean up the mess by importing a tiny bit of extra code into the base.  Seems like how we've always done things :)

>> I always thought FreeBSD was about
>> good engineering. Perpetuating the pidfile mess in the base is not a sign
>> of good engineering.
> 
> FreeBSD is about giving people choices. Those who want to use
> daemontools can do that.
> 
> And lest people think that I'm just hating on daemontools, I'm not. I
> use it for some things. But converting everything in the base to use it
> is a non-starter, even if we wanted to import it, which I don't see any
> need to do.

I'm not convinced it is a non-starter.  I'd fully support Jos if he wanted to commit the code and had done the leg work to do it.  I wouldn't support just importing the daemontools and leaving it at that.  If that's the plan, then leaving it in ports is the best bet.

Let's not dismiss this out of hand.

Warner