Want a logo competition? Do it properly.

[Andrew L. Gould]

On Saturday 07 May 2005 06:22 am, Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:
> > > No.
> >
> > As a user that has reaped far more benefit from the FreeBSD, and
> > thus from its developers, than I could ever contribute, I agree
> > with Dan's rather concise answer.
>
> That is your manifesto.
>
> FreeBSD is more dependant of its users than its users are of FreeBSD.

Only in the case where the users are also developers.  A bunch of 
developers who choose to develop software for their own use have no 
inherent need for us.

If you want a rational discussion, you'll need to come down to Earth.

> FreeBSD needs to live. Users could always switch to Linux.

FreeBSD does not "need to live".  If all of its developers and users 
decided to move on to something else, that would be okay.  FreeBSD 
survives because it provides great benefit and many enjoy developing 
it.  There is no moral obligation, however, for the project to 
continue.

>
> > I have expressed my views in the email lists; and if I had any
> > talent, I would submit a logo.  The decision, however, belongs to
> > the Core Team. They've certainly earned it.
>
> I agree with you on that. They have earned it.
>
> But since it was the community of regular users that spawned the
> discussions which eventually lead to this logo change, I believe that
> the community should also get to participate in it.
>
> > FreeBSD isn't a country of oppressed people.  Using FreeBSD isn't
> > some sort of god-given right.  Often, we users could have a little
> > more humility, show a little more appreciation and be a little less
> > upity. (Did I spell that right?)
>
> FreeBSD is for man kind by man kind.
> FreeBSD is for rich, spoiled people by rich, spoiled people.
> The same way FreeBSD is for oppressed people, by oppressed people.
>
> All people.

FreeBSD is for those who want to use it; but that usage does not provide 
any rights to its users.  There is no obligation for the Project to 
provide support to its users.  You can get FreeBSD for free; and you 
already get more than you paid for.

>
> We users (those of us who represent the next generation) are the ones
> that'll eventually be put in charge of the project after our current
> leaders retire or die.

It's my understanding that contributors, **not users** run the project.

>
> I also agree with you that most BSD people need a change of attitude.

Always start with improving yourself.

> 30% of all e-mails are more rude than even people with intentions to
> kill would utter before killing.

You're being overly dramatic.

>
> --
>
> Fafa Hafiz Krantz
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