BSD Certification Group press release

[Luiz Gustavo]

Since BSD Vault has ignored the press release, I submitted it there
today... 


On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 11:56, Astrodog wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:07:33 +0100, Anthony Atkielski
> <atkielski.anthony at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> > Astrodog writes:
> > 
> > > Have you considered, that a certification program done in an open
> > > manner could be incredibly helpful for FreeBSD?
> > 
> > If so, it would be a historical first.  I've never seen any
> > certification program do that for anything.
> > 
> 
> I'm not sure I see that as a problem, considering the group that is
> putting this together.
> 
> > > You're making some rather large assumptions, the primary one being
> > > that the creation and design of the certification tests will be closed
> > > and no one except the arbiters will be involved.
> > 
> > I think it's safe to assume that the group creating and designing the
> > tests will be far smaller than the group expected to take and pass the
> > tests.  And offhand I can't think of who would actually be objectively
> > qualified to design the tests in the first place.
> > 
> 
> The group creating FreeBSD and deciding where it will go is
> significantly smaller than the userbase. As far as someone being
> objectively qualified.... the guy who reads your college entry essay
> isn't objective, your boss isn't objective, cops aren't objective, and
> neither are judges. You go with what you can get, while striving for
> objectivity, even if it isn't possible.
> 
> > > The reason certifications are required in some cases is that lets face
> > > it, you COULD be full of shit and know nothing about whatever product
> > > it is.
> > 
> > Not if an employer or client investigates your claims.  And if he
> > doesn't, certification won't make any difference, anyway.
> > 
> > I'm not even sure what you'd certify for FreeBSD ... it's practically
> > identical to the other BSDs, which in turn are practically identical to
> > all other forms of UNIX.  Why would anyone seek out a FreeBSD or BSD
> > certification _specifically_?
> >
> > > Not only does this hurt whoever hires you, but it hurts whoever
> > > provides the product you're lying about.
> > 
> > If people lie about experience and their clients don't check up, what
> > would prevent them from lying about certification (which their clients
> > wouldn't check up, either)?
> 
> If I'm an employer, and I need to terminate a crap employee, and they
> don't list any certs, just experence, it would be quite difficult to
> PROVE that they didn't have experence with "Application X". However,
> if they claim a certification for application X, that they don't
> actually have, I can fire them without notice.
> 
> > 
> > > As far as the last comment.... People complain about certifications?
> > 
> > Some do.  Certifications, like unions, are attempts to artificially
> > inflate and/or support a job market through closed-shop restrictions.
> >
> 
> One could argue that a college degree has the same effect. So would
> actually knowing other people. I don't see this as an issue at all. :\
> 
> > --
> > Anthony
> > 
> > 
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