FreeBSD's Visual Identity: Outdated?

Vulpes Velox v.velox at
Thu Dec 23 09:07:51 PST 2004

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:12:26 +0100
Carsten Zimmermann <cz at> wrote:

> Dear Devon -
> I understand that this thread might be heavily annoying to those who
> are reading doc@ and advocacy@ for decades now. I admit I am too
> lazy to search the mail archives of these last X decades before I
> reply to a living thread (I use to do so when I _start_ a thread
> which might have been discussed in the past). I have no bad
> consciousness with that, I'm sorry.

>From what I remember, there was a some what definite conclusion, but
nothing was ever done. The conclusion was basically this, making a
real attractive site to business people would be nice, but not doing
it to, but instead creating a or the like for

> I don't share your point of view that past discussions should not be
> re-heated just because there was no evident conclusion the last
> time. Who knows if there aren't any parameters changed which could
> lead to something this time? In contrast to that, your harsh
> comments are probably suffocating exactly this. To my mind, the
> posting of the URL in the archives, which was very helpful, indeed,
> at an earlier point in this thread would have done a lot more!
> Me, I am no FreeBSD sourcecode jockey by now nor am I a webdesigner.
> I'm a FreeBSD adocate and maybe some sort of potential doc-writer.
> But that doesn't matter either - I USE FreeBSD and this makes me,
> FreeBSD being a community driven project, a stake-holder who wants
> to take part on this discussion. And there's many to which the above
> applies!
> I am willing to help, be it through actually commiting patches,
> templates, (...) or just through _opinion_. Conscensus was that
> there is hardly anyone who wants to have a lot of work (and spent
> free-time) sacrificed just because nobody seems to want what has
> been produced in the end. 
> These people should be backed and encouraged through community's
> _opinion_. That's why it is just right to continue this thread even
> though it has been discussed *a lot* in the past. Maybe it concludes
> to something _this_ time. 
> I agree, however, that those contributing to this thread should take
> advantage of the past discussion: we don't need to reinvent the
> wheel every halt a year... But this can only be achieved if the
> people who know it's been discussed before - people like you - give
> polite hints on where to find the information.
> regards,
> Carsten
> Am Thu Dec 23, 2004 at 02:2926PM +0100 schrieb Devon H. O'Dell:
> > Carsten Zimmermann wrote:
> > >Hello -
> > [snip]
> > >The website: The website is fine. It serves its purpose as stated
> > >before. But imagine being a network technician convincing your
> > >employer to move applications to The Great OS. I think the
> > >current FreeBSD website pretty much suggests as FreeBSD being a
> > >`geek? project. It can't be our aim that FreeBSD is considered
> > >unserious, FreeBSD definately needs trusting companies to raise
> > >its market penetration. And company's stake holders are(most
> > >often) easily tempted by visual impressions. Thus, the website
> > >itself is the primary marketing material in my eyes and I think
> > >there is great need of redesigning it in the midterm view.
> > >
> > >That much from me,
> > >Carsten
> > >
> > [snip]
> > 
> > I really hate to have to say this in such a crude way, but this 
> > discussion has always and will always boil down to this: put up,
> > or shut up.
> > 
> > There are a LOT of goals that have been set for this project, and
> > nobody has ever stepped up to help do them. Don't know what to do?
> > The thread's really in the archive, go check it out!
> > 
> > Other ideas to discuss? Put a bit of energy behind it and do the
> > things instead of discussing them.
> > 
> > Again, sorry for the coarseness, but people never seem to
> > understand this when this subject is brought up.
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > 
> > Devon H. O'Dell
> -- 
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