FreeBSD's Visual Identity: Outdated?

Devon H. O'Dell dodell at
Thu Dec 23 07:22:34 PST 2004

Carsten Zimmermann wrote:
> Dear Devon -
> I understand that this thread might be heavily annoying to those who are
> reading doc@ and advocacy@ for decades now. I admit I am too lazy to
> search the mail archives of these last X decades before I reply to a
> living thread (I use to do so when I _start_ a thread which might have
> been discussed in the past). I have no bad consciousness with that, I'm 
> sorry.
> I don't share your point of view that past discussions should not be
> re-heated just because there was no evident conclusion the last time.
> Who knows if there aren't any parameters changed which could lead to
> something this time? In contrast to that, your harsh comments are 
> probably suffocating exactly this. To my mind, the posting of the URL in
> the archives, which was very helpful, indeed, at an earlier point in this
> thread would have done a lot more!

I agree, it sure would have. I didn't have enough time to dig it up, 
though :).

I'm certainly willing to accept that things are different this time 
around. Last time, there was a partial commitment from a designer from a 
fairly high class web design company who had expressed an interest in 
doing a new site, assuming that the work would be tax-deductable.

The short answer is that it is. It will just take a good bit of work and 
a good bit of collaboration. Are there companies that have the time to 
work for free, given a tax break? Probably. I don't know who they are, 

I encourage those to step up who might fit the description above.

I'd like to make it clear that it's pretty vital that the people who do 
the page should have past experience in the field of design and art. 
There are plenty of people in the age range of 14 to 25 who have time 
and experience with webpages (and I think everybody has experience with 
webpages), but I do believe there is merit in finding someone with an 
acclaimed professional and / or an educational background in the area.

> Me, I am no FreeBSD sourcecode jockey by now nor am I a webdesigner. I'm
> a FreeBSD adocate and maybe some sort of potential doc-writer. But that
> doesn't matter either - I USE FreeBSD and this makes me, FreeBSD being a
> community driven project, a stake-holder who wants to take part on this
> discussion. And there's many to which the above applies!


> I am willing to help, be it through actually commiting patches,
> templates, (...) or just through _opinion_. Conscensus was that there is
> hardly anyone who wants to have a lot of work (and spent free-time)
> sacrificed just because nobody seems to want what has been produced in
> the end. 
> These people should be backed and encouraged through community's
> _opinion_. That's why it is just right to continue this thread even
> though it has been discussed *a lot* in the past. Maybe it concludes to
> something _this_ time. 

I encourage everybody with skills to contribute. But please do 
understand that all work that has been done in the past was simply ``not 
good enough.''

> I agree, however, that those contributing to this thread should take
> advantage of the past discussion: we don't need to reinvent the wheel
> every halt a year... But this can only be achieved if the people who
> know it's been discussed before - people like you - give polite hints on
> where to find the information.

Indeed. If you've got any questions as to where we got off-list at the 
time, please feel free to send me an email. I'm somewhat jaded on the 
subject though, since I did spend a good while brainstorming and 
coordinating and those who had given commitment didn't follow through.

> regards,
> Carsten

Kind regards,

Devon H. O'Dell


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