Re: Misc. as part of usage testing

Mark Millard to Anton Shepelev:

> > Since you have both e-mail and NNTP accounts inside T-Bird,
> > it may be using the wrong account for replies (e-mail
> > instead of NNTP).  Perhaps there is a way to select the
> > correct account while replying, as well as to set it up by
> > default.
>
> The information page showing trouble shooting information does
> not agree. (Note: I split a row of a table into multiple lines
> with the labels in-line. Going down below would be going left
> to right in the table.)
>
> ID:                                     account3
>
> Incoming server Name:                   (nntp) news.gmane.io:119
> Incoming server Connection security:    None
>
> Outgoing server Name:                   smtp.mail.yahoo.com:465
> Outgoing server Connection security:    SSL/TLS
> Outgoing server Authentication method:  Normal password
> Outgoing server Default?:               true

(The above used tabs for tabular layout, which relies on a
certain tab width on the reader side.  I have replaced them with
spaces for better consistency, for not everyone has Linus
Torvalds's 8-character tabs :-)

This setup looks very wrong to me, because the same account is
split between two disparate universes: using NNTP for incoming
messages and SMTP for outgoing ones.  This may explan why you
read via NNTP yet post via SMTP.

It would seem more logical to have two separate accounts, one
for e-mail all the way, that is SMTP for outgoing messages and
IMAP or POP for incoming ones, and one for NNTP: using (nntp)
news.gmane.io:119 as both incoming and outgoing server.  Then
you should be able to read and write via Gmane alone.

> After I filled in the SMTP server information for my default
> (and only) news.gmane.io identity, there are two selections in
> the news.gmane.io Outgoing server popup and they are
> equivalent for such a limited context:
>
> ) Use Default Server
> ) smtp via yahoo for fbsd - smtp.mail.yahoo.com (Default)

Do not do it.  For your news.gmane.io identity, use (nntp)
news.gmane.io:119 as /both/ incoming and outgoing server!  But
make sure to specify your correct e-mail address for it, as
well, (but use no e-mail related servers: POP/IMAP/SMTP).

> news.gmane.io is the only thing that I have set up in
> Thunderbird: Thunderbird has never been used with any other
> services of any type. In that sense, the context is simple.

I see.  It uses your SMTP setting to send messages instead of
NNTP because you told it so.  The solution is to use NNTP for
outgoing server, too.  Thunderbirds is ... special in allowing
such mixed-protocol accounts/identities with news (NNTP) for
reading and e-mail (SMTP) for sending of messages.  This is
confusing.  In Sylpheed, for a contrast, each account is either
a purely e-mail account (POP3/IMAP/SMTP) or a purely news
account (NNTP).