Re: Misc. as part of usage testing

On 1/11/26 03:49, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> Mark Millard:
> 
>> So far, I'm not aware of any negative consequences to what I'm
>> doing (being explicit in To/Cc).
> 
> Perhaps there are none for you, but this is an indication that
> your Gmane setup is read-only, and that you are still sending
> messages via e-mail.  One potential negative consequence is that
> such a setup requires both an NNTP and an e-mail account to be
> fully working (read-write).  I think you will achieve the same
> effect by submitting via SMTP alone.
> 
> The fact that your T-bird adds e-mail addresses while replying
> means that it is not sending messages via NNTP.  In order to
> troubleshoot why replying via NNTP-only (wihout any e-mail in
> the To: header) does not work for you, you may need to enable
> and examine the log file, according to:
> 
>    <https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Logging#Thunderbird_Logging>
> 
> because T-Bird may be playing dirty and hiding error messages
> from the user, (which is one of the reasons I don't like it).
> 
> Since you have both e-mail and NNTP accounts inside T-Bird, it
> may be using the wrong account for replies (e-mail instead of
> NNTP).  Perhaps there is a way to select the correct account
> while replying, as well as to set it up by default.
> 
> 
> 

The information page showing trouble shooting information does not
agree. (Note: I split a row of a table into multiple lines with the
labels in-line. Going down below would be going left to right in the table.)

ID:					account3

Incoming server Name:			(nntp) news.gmane.io:119
Incoming server Connection security:	None

Outgoing server Name:			smtp.mail.yahoo.com:465
Outgoing server Connection security:	SSL/TLS
Outgoing server Authentication method:	Normal password
Outgoing server Default?:		true

This is consistent with that I filled out the smtp information via the
button in the Account Settings tab that shows up when I select
news.gmane.io on the left, the button being on the same line as
"Outgoing Server (SMTP):" label, not some other generic Thunderbird
place. (The edit did end up also showing as available in the generic
Thunderbird Outgoing Server (SMTP) list of such servers, as the only entry.)

After I filled in the SMTP server information for my default (and only)
news.gmane.io identity, there are two selections in the news.gmane.io
Outgoing server popup and they are equivalent for such a limited context:

) Use Default Server
) smtp via yahoo for fbsd - smtp.mail.yahoo.com (Default)

news.gmane.io is the only thing that I have set up in Thunderbird:
Thunderbird has never been used with any other services of any type. In
that sense, the context is simple.

It looks to me like it may be that news.gmane.io in the above context:

) (sometimes?) sends just via nntp when Outgoing SMTP server information
has not been filled in at all.

) sends just via smtp when its Outgoing SMTP server information has been
filled in. (It appears that, via normal UI techniques, one can not get
back to having zero Outgoing Server (SMPT) entries once one has been
filled in: The remove button is disabled when there is only one entry.)


So far the list has not ended up showing any duplicate messages.


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Mark Millard
marklmi at yahoo.com