Re: avoiding wayland and pkgbase

On Tue, 19 Aug 2025 11:30:34 +0100
void <void@f-m.fm> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 04:38:05PM +0100, Lexi Winter wrote:
> >void:  
> >> Will we, after pkgbase becomes the default, still be able to build
> >> world from downloaded sources?  
> >
> >building world from source is required to create the pkgbase packages in
> >the first place, so yes, but i suspect what you mean is will you be able
> >to upgrade the system using installkernel/installworld without having to
> >build packages and upgrade using pkg, in which case yes, nothing will
> >change about that process in 15.0.  
> 
> OK, thanks for confirming. I hope the buildworld/installworld process
> (doesn't involve pkg) *never* goes away. Not for *any* freebsd version.
> At the moment, one can build and install RELENG, not just -stable or current.
> I should have given examples of why I think this way in my initial post,
> sorry. To explain why, here are some reasons:
> 
> 1. a problem happens with a thing in base. It might affect just my
>     less common use case. A helpful and clueful person makes a patch.
>     I can apply and install it and not have to reboot if it's userland.
>     Useful if one is running essential external services and downtime
>     needs to be planned.
> 
> 2. When building a system, it helps to build what is required and no more.
>     This decreases the attack surface of the installation somewhat.
>     Subsequent builds against the same src.conf enforce this configuration.

I think converting the wrong way = to thousand packages (instead of right way 
"1 for kernel, 1 for freebsd.org origin + ~100 = for every in contrib") was
exactly for every knob to not build more?

> The above two points make freebsd as OS very versatile IMO.
> 
> 3. Sometimes pkg breaks. I've not yet seen 'make' break.

I foresee this the main problem with pkgbase when it will get mass deployment.
Like those chicken-egg problem typical to Linux distros on major upgrades due
to fact they don't have real base system, separate from packages - which is
(was) strength of FreeBSD.


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